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PapsD · 02-13-2013, 10:15 AM

You can only use steel or non toxic shot for waterfowl. They outlawed lead shot for waterfowl hunting federally a long time ago. There are alternatives to steel like hevi-shot or tungsten matrix but they are expensive.

Some of the non toxic alternatives are safe to use in older fixed choke guns.

The 3 1/2" 12 gauge was made for steel shot to help overcome its velocity and pattern density issues.

In most states you can still use lead shot to hunt upland birds but check the local laws first especially if you're hunting public land.

**C38368** · 02-13-2013, 01:26 PM

Yeah, lead is illegal everywhere for waterfowl. I use steel exclusively, and 2 3/4 has proven more than sufficient. Same for geese, though if I seriously expect to be taking a shot at some, I will swap to BB loads.

PapsD · 02-13-2013, 04:50 PM

Hey whatever works for you. It doesn't matter how big the shell is as long as it patterns well. I'd be a little skittish about shooting steel shot out of a model 12.

I personally don't like steel shot and shoot lead as much as possible. But I mostly shoot trap anymore.

Crashola · 02-13-2013, 05:12 PM

I remember years ago when non-toxic shot for waterfowl first became mandatory. I had an older Remington 870 that had a fixed full choke barrel. The information back then was that old full chokes and steel did not mix. Options were to; (1) avoid steel shot; (2) have a gunsmith open up the choke; or (3) get a different barrel. I opted for No. 3 and got a new Remington barrel with changeable chokes. The full choke tube that came with the new barrel specifically stated that it was ok for steel.

PapsD · 02-13-2013, 08:38 PM

I've also heard different things about steel shot and fixed chokes. But mostly I've heard that they don't mix.

I've heard the old Miroku A5's where ok to shoot steel out of but not the Belgian A5's.

I have a few fixed choke guns but I play it safe and don't shoot steel shot with them. They aren't high dollar guns but I can't get a barrel for one of them.

**Golddiggie** · 04-11-2013, 08:57 PM

Just for the F of it...

Two of my favorite things...

sweed · 04-13-2013, 09:10 PM

Bought this assault 22 today.

Lol, jk, just a Marlin 795. Now I just have to find ammo!

BottleItUp · 04-15-2013, 03:47 AM

Good luck finding any, at least around here I'd have better luck looking for centerfire than rimfire.

Don't keep live honey badgers for protecting your beer from gnomes, use the American Honey Badger.

*photo credit to the gear scout, that is not my gun*

BottleItUp · 04-15-2013, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golddiggie

Just for the F of it...

Two of my favorite things...

Or...

.357 magnum 1.8" barrel hot handloads, when .45ACP muzzle flash just isn't enough.

Don't ask how I know that.....

**Golddiggie** · 04-15-2013, 04:23 AM

I'm in the process of building an AR15, or .223/5.56 NATO, pistol.

I have the lower, LPK installed, pistol buffer tube (with buffer and spring), and upper already. Just need to get the BCG, barrel, gas block, gas tube and a few other parts to complete it. I might opt for a heavier buffer (4.6oz or 5.2oz instead of the stock 3oz) to reduce recoil. With a 7.5" barrel, I might need the heavier buffer.

Earlier picture of the AR pistol, in progress. I'll take a new picture in the next few days.

Also made one [rear] take-down pin from stainless round stock today. Need to work on it a little more to make it 100% as I want. Or make another one with the slight alteration to it. I'm making it with enough to the right side so that you can simply grab it from that side without issue. Once I have it as I want, I'll post up a picture of it. My friend, with a mini-mill is going to put the groove (and detent holes) in it for me. I might make a few of them and replace the stock ones as I want.