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Eskimo Spy · 07-23-2008, 07:30 PM

I have a question. I have the misfortune of dealing with an individual who was in the military, and his belief is this; because he served, he is better than civilians, and not only that, he says most people in the military think that civilians are lowly morons who don't deserve their loyal service.

Now, when I informed him that I too was a veteran, and didn't believe that nonsense, he then told me I didn't learn the "proper lessons" in the military (whatever that means).

Anyway, I was just curious about his mindset, and how prevalent it is. I have never felt that way, and no one I know who served feels that way, but it's always worth asking the question.

So?

SporkD2 · 07-23-2008, 07:35 PM

Being in the Army myself I can see why someone would have this mindset. I often have to listen to people who serve on civil service complain because they cant use the commissary or the BX/PX.

My belief is that if you don't serve, you shouldn't be given some of the privileges. It sounds like this person took that way of thinking to the extreme though.

They do however teach the military men / women that civilians work for the military, and I guess some idiot could see that as you work for him and you are not worthy type of thing.

Eskimo Spy · 07-23-2008, 07:40 PM

I agree, unless you're military, you shouldn't have access to the BX/PX. But thinking that anyone who hasn't served is beneath you seemed a little much for me. This guy is a jackass for sure, it makes all of us look bad when someone like this is running around acting like he speaks for everyone.

SporkD2 · 07-23-2008, 07:42 PM

Ya, you get a lot of kids in the military who really have something they can be proud of, but without a little bit of maturity it can get out of hand.. case in point, that guy

***Yooper*** · 07-23-2008, 07:44 PM

I guess I never experienced any thoughts or feelings like that when I was in. Of course, that was a long time ago!

findthefish · 07-23-2008, 07:46 PM

Sounds like a real Grade A Meathead that would be an embarrassment to just about any profession.

McKBrew · 07-23-2008, 07:59 PM

I am in the military.

There are civilians who do an excellent job where I work, I get along well with them and without them we wouldn't function.

There are also civilians who work in offices who really appear to serve no useful function at all. When you do go for assistance, they give you the run-around or totally blow you off.

There are people just like that in the military as well. The thing that bothers me is that most of the useless civilians are making more money than a military guy doing the same job, or doing the bulk of the civilian's work while that guy takes credit for it. I've seen some civilians that are so grossly out of shape that they take the elevator up one level and are out of breath if you see them on the stairs. That and the fact that they are supposed to be at work for a set period but are always out of the office or leave early.

Again, I have no problem with the good ones, but do feel that some contractors/civil service employees abuse the system and their position.

MSatt · 07-23-2008, 08:08 PM

there are jackass' and bad apples in all walks of life....

MikeFlynn74 · 07-23-2008, 08:26 PM

I am in the USAF-

The Majority of Civilians I have worked with have been GS11-14. The majority have been sucking up paychecks and leaving early with no recourse, no deployments and never working a crappy shift on a holiday.

I have worked with others outside my career filed who were great. So it seems more limited to computers than civilians.

One thing I dont like about the civs is the top brass somehow thinks its cheaper to pay someone 5 times my salary to do the same job yet be unable to deploy or work outside his 40hrs a week. Guess who picks up all the slack from that. At least I dont have a civilian in my Chain of Command. Ive seen shops where thats the case and it is never good.

Anyways end rant-
Civs working with the military always has and will be needed. And I agree they do serve.

Eskimo Spy · 07-23-2008, 08:45 PM

The funny part is, this guy is now a contractor profiteering off the war, but he still acts like he's military. He's in intelligence, but he lacks any himself it seems. Overall, the guy is a waste of space.