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Old 03-13-2013, 06:52 PM   #21
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Heard grumblings a few months ago local homebrew shop found out about the group buys and was not happy. My bet is the homebrew shops looked more into the issue and probably banned together to pressure them to stop these buys as it was hurting their bottom line big time.

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Old 03-13-2013, 06:56 PM   #22
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This cannot be the one. Its more than double what I have been paying for grain.


Breiss White wheat is 2.44 a lb??? You can get it cheaper than that in lbs increments at a poorly priced LHBS


I payed 60ish cents a lbs in my last buy for that and 80-90ish cents a lbs for some of the fawcett malts which are now a little less than 2 dollars.


So how is it that "normal" breiss malts are more expensive than imported floor malted malts?

If this is accurate then they have straight up priced themselves out of the market.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:58 PM   #23
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This cannot be the one. Its more than double what I have been paying for grain.


Breiss White wheat is 2.44 a lb??? You can get it cheaper than that in lbs increments at a poorly priced LHBS


I payed 60ish cents a lbs in my last buy for that and 80-90ish cents a lbs for some of the fawcett malts which are now a little less than 2 dollars.


So how is it that "normal" breiss malts are more expensive than imported floor malted malts?

If this is accurate then they have straight up priced themselves out of the market.
Exactly! NCM's homebrewer price sheet was created to FORCE hombrewers to buy from their LHBS's which buy at wholesale prices from NCM....

I work for a manufacturer and see this kind of tactic used in my industry. If we do sell directly to an end user on a rare occasion we sell at "List Price" which is usually at or higher than the end user would have paid if they bought from one of our distributors.

I can buy a bag of CM 2-row at a LHBS 30 miles from me for $42/bag + tax which is about the same as I could get it in a group buy based on the new pricing once shipping is added.
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Another thing no one has brought up:

When you buy from your LHBS or other local malt distributor you will pay LOCAL state/city sales tax!

Your local government is ultimately benefiting from this.
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This cannot be the one. Its more than double what I have been paying for grain.


Breiss White wheat is 2.44 a lb??? You can get it cheaper than that in lbs increments at a poorly priced LHBS


I payed 60ish cents a lbs in my last buy for that and 80-90ish cents a lbs for some of the fawcett malts which are now a little less than 2 dollars.


So how is it that "normal" breiss malts are more expensive than imported floor malted malts?

If this is accurate then they have straight up priced themselves out of the market.
Sadly that is the correct sheet. And yes I share your sentiments, which is why I wanted to get all our brains churning.

Once you get out of CM-2ROW, the prices can really fly.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:04 PM   #26
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Yep, Ive seen it before as well. This is clearly a reaction to backlash from HBS. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it, what do they care, the amount of grain they sell is the same. Now the 25% that was going through group buys will go through HBS.

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Old 03-13-2013, 07:13 PM   #27
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This cannot be the one. Its more than double what I have been paying for grain.

Breiss White wheat is 2.44 a lb???...
I'm with you, the per pound prices are off the chart, especially Briess.

But to compare price you should look in column 5, "Price per bag unmilled."

Now Briess turns out to be relatively more expensive than their other brands. I can get Briess 2-row at my LHBS for $61 a sack, still no bargain. CMG wants $75 for the same, plus shipping.

CMG's prices for CM and GW are much lower ($40 and $42), still better than the cheapest base malt at any LHBS I've seen.

There should be no sales tax on (raw) grain.
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Briess	        New Bag	Old Bag 2-8k#	% change
Vienna	 82.96		        30.5	        172%
2-row	        75.22		        31	        142.645161290323%
2-row 60l	95.34		        42.5	        124.329411764706%
Great Western				
Vienna	 47.43		        30.5	         55.5081967213115%
2-row	        42.38		        29.5	         43.6610169491526%
2-row 60l	50.14		        39	         28.5641025641026%
my formatting stinks but if those are right that is insane.
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For those interested in the coop thing, I found this link (http://www.ncba.coop/) which seems like a good place to start. I do know that many CPA's will meet with a prospective client for the initial hour free and provide all the info needed until tax time. I suspect lawyers do the same thing. I can't imagine the paperwork for starting a coop to be more detailed than starting a business, and in MD, its 75$ for DBA (doing business as) and easy paper work. Filing fees apply as well, but its super easy and probably does not warrant much lawyer time at all, if any.
Disclaimer: I've never started a coop

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I found this one for cooperatives, as well: http://www.sba.gov/content/cooperative

I wonder if one could be formed using a service like LegalZoom or Rocket Lawyer, with one of us just filling out the forms and submitting them, without the need for a full-blown lawyer.

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