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Old 04-28-2013, 11:06 PM   #1
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Default Wig and Electricity are poor bed fellows (Help please!)

Ok, has ANYONE actually gotten a MyPin TD4 upd and working? I swear at the end of this saga I'm going to write up a layman's guide for getting these things working if I ever manage it.

Ok, the image (assuming it came through) is from the TA4, but the TD4 wiring guide is exactly the same. (The TD4 includes a manual mode supposedly... that's if the darn thing ever works.) btw image came from Kal's site. Thanks for the opportunity to pirate! (however unsuccessfully.)



Below are the permutations of how I have attempted to connect wires to this thing in order to get it to work. Nothing seems to although the unit appears to be working correctly with the thermometer etc. It simply isn't sending out any signals to the alarm or the SSR connection.

I would post pictures but at this point everything is disconnected and I'm ready to start from scratch, hopefully correctly... Here goes.

1: white neutral
2: black feed
3 white neutral out to SSR
4 black feed out to SSR
5 white neutral to alarm light
6 black feed to alarm light
7 red line from thermoprobe
8 blue line from thermoprobe

Based on what I've read this seems to be the right way to do this.

I also had black and white lines going from the SSR to my outlet which hopefully one day will control the pump.

Power on the unit. Set it's alarm and set points such that both the output 1 (ssr) and alarm1 lights go on in the unit which SUPPOSEDLY indicates that power is being sent to those units.

The tester confirms that no power is going out to those leads whatsoever. AHA you say... bad unit. I thought about that, of course and tried my OTHER MyPin TD4 and it behaves in exactly the same way. neither the SSR out nor the Alarm1 out appear to have any power going out.

I also tried to swap the white and black lines on the 1 and 2 post as well as swapping all the white and black lines on the outputs. No matter what combination I do, nothing seems to work. For giggles, I connected the white and black directly to the SSR input. It's getting power but nothing is coming out the other side.

I'm not very clear on how to hook up the SSR obviously but it seems not to matter too much since I can't get any power to it from the TD4 anyway.

Can anybody provide any insight about what I'm doing wrong here? It seems like hooking the darn thing up shouldn't be quite so complicated. Any help at all would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 04-28-2013, 11:29 PM   #2
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btw, here are some photos of the build as it is currently...

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Right side: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/images/1/2/9/5/7/3/thumb2_right_side-59602.jpg

Left side:
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The back side has two 110 outlet pairs, one of which is set on a simple switch, the other goes through the 3-way. Auto = PID control, ON = well... on.

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Old 04-29-2013, 12:44 AM   #4
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So just to confirm everything:
1) The unit powers up = 1 & 2 are connected right
2) the correct temp is displayed = 8 & 9 are correct (and you have a thermocouple probe)
The problems I see with what you discribe are:
Alarm) this is a realy so what you need to wire is: hot to 5, 6 to one side of your alarm, the other side of the alarm to neutral - It is a switch and will not provide power just let power get to where you want it.
SSR) How are you checking this is working? It should be a 5vDC(?) output, have you got the meter set to measure DC voltage?

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Matt, Unit powers up fine and the thermoprobe connections are on 7 and 8 and seem to work just fine. I switched to farenheit on the unit and tested the probe in icewater and just-boiled water and the probe seemed to be in the ballpark. I'll calibrate when I have everything up and running properly.

I managed to get the SSR working tonight. Apparently the information on the side of the unit is incorrect. It says 3 is negative and 4 is positive. (The chinese attempt at english directions in the 4 page instructions sent with the controller show a different model with the connections to 3 and 4 reversed. When I did that I got enough voltage from the unit to kick off the SSR.

Your information about the alarm may be what I need to finish the darn thing up. I was running hot and neutral out of the unit to hot and neutral of the alarm (neutral from the alarm continued to the neutral circuit making the rounds.) I will try it as you've suggested. If that works I will have gotten the darn thing working and I really really appreciate it.

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Old 04-29-2013, 04:01 PM   #6
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The TD4 has only 10 contacts opposed to the 12 shown in the diagram. I see there is a connection between contact 6 and 12 on the diagram. I assume this is a reference to the Alarm 2 output at 12 for the model they are showing.

If that follows, I will test contact 10 when Alarm 2 is triggered and see if the feed from contact 5 is being allowed to flow through 10. If that's the case then I will have figured out how Alarm 1 and 2 are set up. Then I just need to fiddle with the manual output settings on the PID itself and determine how to control the BK boil in manual mode. At that point, I think my "Complete Electricity Moron's Guide to the TD4 Controller" will be ready to author.

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Looks like your thermocouple should be connected to 8 and 9, not 7 and 8.

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Definitely want to run your TC to 8 and 9 if the diagram in your first post is correct. 7-9 would be for an RTD. Make sure you program your PID so it knows which style of probe is connected.

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I will swap the connections on the TC and let everyone know how that goes. Appreciate any and all input.

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SUCCESS!

I got the pump-side PID working tonight. The info from the board helped me a great deal and I truly appreciate it. I put the TC in some ice-water and moved back and forth to a cup of just-boiled water and my alarm, and pump outlet worked just fine.

Changed the P value to 'off' so the relay is either ON or OFF and the pump outlet works precisely as it should.

The pump-side was the more complicated side since I added extra outlets (Yooper!) and switches in order to run aforementioned outlets in auto/on/off mode. The heat side main switch will only route through the PID and ssr. I plan on using the same controller for the HLT and then switching the heating element plug over to the BK element. Then I'd move the set point up to 202 (boil point at my altitude) and wait until I got my boil, then switch to manual mode and drop the % down so I could maintain a gentle boil.

That's the plan anyway.

At any rate, I'll post more photos when it's finished and I DID start "The Complete Electronic Moron's Guide to the TD4" which I hope will make the MyPin TD4 controllers more user-friendly to folks like me who are challenged when it comes to wiring diagrams etc.

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