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Old 10-27-2010, 11:19 PM   #1
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Question Whirlpool in Electric Kettle?

I am planning an electric BK using the Bayou 62 quart SS stockpot:

... and a Camco #02963 5500W 240V Ripp Element installed in its sidewall. I hope to whirlpool in the BK for a few minutes, then pump the wort through my CFC. The pump will suck wort from a hooked dip tube near the BK wall. I saw somewhere, I think it was in Kal's writeup for his brewery, that whirlpooling may not work so good in a BK with a heater element because the element interferes with the break pile, or perhaps the whirlpool itself. Has someone got experience with this?

Would it work to install the element a few inches from the bottom so that it will clear the break pile, or will this not heat the wort below it? Any insight you can share is appreciated.



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Old 10-28-2010, 12:13 AM   #2
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I think it'll work, just not perfectly. I'm in the same situation. You'll still be able to whirlpool and it'll bring some of the trub to the center, but you're probably going to still pass some through. Not to worry though, your CFC can handle it.



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why not install the element vertically on the bottom center?

why does everyone do it to the side?

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Old 10-28-2010, 12:51 AM   #4
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why not install the element vertically on the bottom center?

why does everyone do it to the side?

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Because if you install it vertically, it goes up pretty high. If you install it horizantally as low as you can, usually three gallons will cover it (in a keggle).
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depends...

If you're using a ULD RIPP or any element that is rather 'long', this prevents you from boiling while your at the start of your runoff. Also, if you want to make a smaller volume, this may cause problem since you want your element to be submerged when in use.

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Ahh, that makes sense.

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I have performed exactly ONE whirlpool in a 10 gallon kettle with a 5500w element and it formed a pretty decent trub pile despite of the element. It wasn't a perfect cone, but I think I got about 90% of the hop sediment to settle into the middle. Coulda been 80% I dunno, but it seemed to work good enough.

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I have a 5500watt element in a converted keggle. My element is mounted horizontally at about the 2.5 gallon level in the keg (that was as low as I could get it because of the concave keg bottom. I have a pickup tube bent back toward the side of the keg. I'm able to whirlpool with pretty good success.

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here is my setup (the element was had not yet been installed at the time the picture was taken) but I presume that its pretty similar to Eds

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I saw somewhere, I think it was in Kal's writeup for his brewery, that whirlpooling may not work so good in a BK with a heater element because the element interferes with the break pile, or perhaps the whirlpool itself. Has someone got experience with this?
Correct, I do mention this in relation to using the new Blichmann HopBlocker. Some users with elements in their kettles mentioned they couldn't get a good whirlpool going with the element in place, or should I say, enough of a whirlpool to effectively use the hopstopper. These were users here on the forum.

Now, who knows if they were experienced brewers/knew what they were doing... but I thought I'd point it out anyway. Just so that people knew to look out for this and consider it since I've ever used a Blichmann HopBlocker myself.

I've never tried to form a whirlpool myself (I use a HopStopper) and simply start cooling through my CFC fairly fast as soon as the boil is over. No whirlpool for me (which saves time).

I'll keep an eye on this post to see if there's any true evidence one way or another about whirlpooling with elements in place...

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Would it work to install the element a few inches from the bottom so that it will clear the break pile, or will this not heat the wort below it? Any insight you can share is appreciated.
Install the element as low as you like. Wort is very thin like water and it gets churned enormously as you boil. It doesn't sit still. I installed my elements as low as I could based on the size of outside conduit box I used to house the element head. In my 20 gallon boil kettle with HopStopper in place, this means that the smallest batch size I can make is about 5 gallons. Fine by me since I've always brewed 10 gallons at a time.

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