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jean 01-17-2013 07:45 AM

three vessel vs biab
 
Hi,

I am planning to build my electric brewery 100 liter capacity (approx 20 gallon), and i have to decide if to build it "speidel" like or regular three vesle. I never brewed BIAB (the speidel model) so I would like to ask what are the Pros and cons for biab? Mainly it seems that biab system would be cheaper and take less space.
Thank you

cpl-america 01-17-2013 12:46 PM

those are the pros of biab, cheaper and takes up less space. if you plan on doing 20 gallon batches i recommend using 2 or 3 bags, it would be hard to find a bag large enough for 20kg of grain. and you might have to think of building an arm to hoist the bag. However there are much less steps in biab, and my efficiency is around 79%

so i recommend trying a smaller biab batch before you decide, because unless i go automated i will stick with biab forever. but if i moved up to about 50 gallons i might think of ditching biab.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/biab...t-pump-310459/

i think this guy had a great build. i only do 5 gallon brews myself.

jean 01-17-2013 12:51 PM

thanks for the answer, i am talking about something like this:
http://www.speidels-braumeister.de/B...87mivpdipptb10

What are the cons of brewing BIAB?

mb82 01-17-2013 01:20 PM

That is a lot of grains even if you use a couple of bags. So your going to have to come up with a way to lift the grains+water in the bag. I BIAB and at 20 gal I think 3 vessel is the way to go.

caps_phisto 01-17-2013 01:55 PM

Why not get something like this: http://www.highgravitybrew.com/produ...stem-p3987.htm

If you ask they may go with a 100 l build.

I'd recommend a strong beam and winch for the basket.

Epimetheus 01-17-2013 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpl-america (Post 4794829)
so i recommend trying a smaller biab batch before you decide

What he said. Definitely try BIAB and 3 vessel before committing real money either way. Hook up with a buddy who has a 3 vessel system. You can do a small BIAB in a stockpot on the stove.

Also search for "no-chill" brewing. It was developed in Australia partly because it requires less water. That may be a consideration for you in Beer Sheva (good pun).

Any way you decide, do not worry that you may have made the wrong decision. All the processes work and can create prize winning product with the proper care. Brew on.

inhousebrew 01-17-2013 02:09 PM

That seems like it would be awfully big for BIAB. I love it and am in the process of converting to an electric BIAB kettle but it's only a small three gallon batch kettle.

It sounds cheaper than a 20 gallon three vessel system but you would definitely need to rig up a way to lift the grain. That would take up money and space and now you're not far off from the three vessel system so if I was going big I would go big and get the three vessel I guess. Provide you can afford it and have the room.

cpl-america 01-17-2013 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inhousebrew (Post 4795088)
That seems like it would be awfully big for BIAB. I love it and am in the process of converting to an electric BIAB kettle but it's only a small three gallon batch kettle.

http://www.amazon.com/Cajun-Injector...c+turkey+fryer

this is what i use, and it will do a full 6.5 gallon boil no problem.

aubiecat 01-17-2013 03:13 PM

You will need this for 20 gallon BIAB batches. :rockin:
http://img.directindustry.com/images...35-2441311.jpg

jeffmeh 01-17-2013 03:47 PM

Are you saying that your single vessel will be 20 gallons, or that you want a batch to yield 20 gallons? Big difference.


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