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Old 03-13-2014, 02:18 PM   #1
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Ive started buying the basic parts for my electric controller.
-auber 2325
-rtd temp probe
-2 40a SSR
-2 120v contacter?

I plan to use 2 5500w elements in each HLT and BK.
HLT controlled by PID
BK controlled by PWM
2 pump outlets
3 way selector switch so that only one vessel can be controlled at a time.

I'm having a hard time finding a selector switch rated for 50a. Also, I have a 3 wire 50a 240v outlet.

I'm still searching for plans so any diagrams and links will be helpful

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Old 03-13-2014, 02:46 PM   #2
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Check out the electric brewery if you havent already. He uses a 120 volt selector switch to control solenoids which provide the high voltage. I would recommend though to use double pull double throw solenoids so that you can cut off all power to the elements when not in use rather than just one leg. Does your outlet have two hots and a ground? If so, you will need to provide a neutral for your 120 volt power. Someone else might have a better understanding but I would think that your best bet would be to pull from another wall outlet for 120 and use the 240 volt outlet exclusively for powering the heaters.

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will this potentometer work for the boil kettle?





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will this potentometer work for the boil kettle?
Sure it will work if you add an SSVR .
I will post a schematic diagram soon.
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Sure it will work if you add an SSVR .
I will post a schematic diagram soon.
Thanks for the positive reply. Ive built a rims tube controller that worked well but it used 120v. I just started using 240v and my brewday is a lot quicker
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This diagram is for Mypin TA4 but any other PID with SSR output can be used.

Sorry, diagram is not fancy.

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This diagram is for Mypin TA4 but any other PID with SSR output can be used.

Sorry, diagram is not fancy.
You don't need a low voltage power source across the pot for the SSR?

I didn't know they had their own power, or does it have the ability to change based on the resistive input.

I am planning to build something similar for my brew partner.

***EDIT***: I see that it is a SSVR, must be the difference. So if you have a SSR I am guessing you would need to add a low V power source.
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SSR connected to a PID is controlled by voltage and it can be either On or Off. Doesn't matter what voltage your are applying (in 3-32Volt range).
This is an example of such SSR - http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Solid-State-Relays-SSR-AC24V-AC480V-40A-3-32VDC-D4840-NEW-DC-AC-/331084563189

To make a variable power control with that SSR you need a PWM module with 1-2 sec period and an additional power suplay.

But there is a simpler way - use a SSVR. SSVR controlled by pot and doesn't requires additional power supply.

For example -
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Phase-SSR-Solid-State-Relay-Voltage-Resistance-Regulator-40A-AC-25-380V-/230913398845?
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-KYOTTO-AC-Solid-State-Relay-SSR-KR2040AX-280VAC-40A-/140553987088

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