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Old 01-06-2013, 04:53 AM   #11
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Have you set all the settings correct on your pid? If you are using the auber one then kal has setup instructions on his site. Also, i think the auber ones have a light that indicates that it is sending 12v to the ssr, if so is that lighting up?

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Old 01-06-2013, 05:03 AM   #12
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Yeah, If you have an Auber, there should be a light to the left of to the set value (Green Numbers) that will light up if the PID is trying to light the element.

I had a problem with having my PID set to "Cooling" mode, instead of "Heating" mode. I read the whole darn manual trying to figure it out.

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Old 01-06-2013, 05:07 AM   #13
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Auber 2372 but 99.875% the same.

Diagram here: http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/542031_10151426040401929_447115019_n.jpg

Not sure how useful the diagram will be vs. the actual implementation.


Should the PID control circuit going to the SSR have a measurable voltage?
Shouldn't the light on the SSR be on? -Is it the "hot" side or the control side that powers the SSR's indicator light?
I should qualify that I am seeing a small amount of voltage coming out of the SSR but it's 10s of volts...


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Old 01-06-2013, 05:20 AM   #14
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I believe the PID should have a DC voltage to the SSR if it is firing.
Does the green light turn on in the front?

The SSR light will only be on if the PID is providing current.

Can't help with the extra small amount of current coming from the SSR... That's odd to me.

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Old 01-06-2013, 01:22 PM   #15
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Auber 2372 but 99.875% the same.

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The PID is a completely different unit than most. It has an internal SSR & it is not intended to be used to control an external SSR.

From the manual:
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Please note that this is NOT for our DC triggered AC SSR. It can not handle more than 300W (at 110V ) either.
Bottom line? IMHO - You have the wrong PID for the application that you are trying to accomplish.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:52 PM   #16
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The PID is a completely differeny unit than most. It has an internal SSR & it is not intended to be used to control an external SSR.

From the manual:


Bottom line? IMHO - You have the wrong PID for the application that you are trying to accomplish.
Thanks PJ! I would've spent another day trying to troubleshoot this in vain.

I never thought for a second that an Auber PID controller existed that couldn't control an external SSR....
I spent a long time with both the 2352 and the 2372 spec sheets up side-by-side and the conclusion that I came to was that for $2 extra that the 2372 included an extra built-in 2amp capable SSR; I had no idea what I might eventually use that "extra" capability for, but thought that it might come in handy. -The note about it not working with Auber's SSRs or more than 300 watts of power, I thought was an incompatibility with AUBER's specific SSRs based upon the way that it was worded; obviously if it's only a 2 amp built-in SSR the built-in SSR can't handle much wattage...

No brewing for me for a while longer while I try to exchange this for the 2352...

Again, I think I'm glad I paid a little extra and went with Auber for the support as it's dumb moves like this that can be costly if you don't have good support...


*Sigh, why can I only learn the hard way?*


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Old 01-06-2013, 05:53 PM   #17
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Can anyone think of a brewing application that the 2372 can actually be used for? (to cycle a pump on an off for HERMS brewing maybe? (assuming that you have another PID controlling your HLT heat)


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Old 01-06-2013, 07:19 PM   #18
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You could use the internal (SSR) relay to switch external mechanical relay/contactor instead of SSRs if you wanted.

Or, even use the internal (SSR) relay to switch a small stepdown transformer like a wall wart that would have the appropriate DC output to switch the external SSRs. You probably have a small one in the junk box with 9 - 12VDC output that you could implement for free and get up and running.

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The best solution? Call the owner of Auber Instruments tomorrow and see it he would arrange an exchange for a different PID (SYL-2352).

You might be able to work out something with him. I believe he is an outstanding businessman that helps us all.

EDIT: Also reference this thread. He would be very interested. (Just saying.)

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Old 01-07-2013, 03:16 PM   #20
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The best solution? Call the owner of Auber Instruments tomorrow and see it he would arrange an exchange for a different PID (SYL-2352).

You might be able to work out something with him. I believe he is an outstanding businessman that helps us all.

EDIT: Also reference this thread. He would be very interested. (Just saying.)
They agreed to issue an exchange almost instantly; I don't think this is a rare occurrence, at all.


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