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kosmokramer 05-02-2012 02:09 AM

Ready to get this party started... with tons of help of course
 
After brewing for a bit over a year I have had some great brews and some so-so brews. I have a temp controlled fridge in the garage for fermentation so in order to rule out variances in my brewing process as cause I am looking to build my rig....finally

I am looking to do 3 keggles (although at this point I am scouring craigslist for my 3rd sanke) 2 pumps (just arrived from ahs) 5500 watt elements in the bk and hlt and utilize herms for the mash. I have been going back and forth in my head between Kals setup using pids and the bcs but i think the bcs has won out. I would like to be able to manual overide using three way switches and a control panel however. Edison is coming out this week to check on the upgrade to a 200 amp panel (only have 100 atm).


Here is my dilemma... while welding the stand is a piece of cake, and a buddy at work will do all the tig work for me in the keggles, the more I read about wiring all this up and exactly what i need to buy the more i am confused..I took 6 months of electronic principles while in the air force about ten years ago but that is as far as my experience goes...I finally have some spare cash to buy most of what i need to take care of this project so if anybody can help i would really appreciate it.

Thanks all, Kosmo

stlbeer 05-02-2012 01:55 PM

Make sure you read the various ebrewery build threads. Takes things one at a time as there are many different aspects to building one of these things. Make a plan and keep track of the parts you need, the ones you have, and the ones you need or are on order. I've managed to keep my sanity during my build with this type of list.

Then enlist the help of an electrician. Even then, things can get wired wrong.

Good luck and keep us informed of how it's going.

P-J 05-03-2012 12:06 AM

Kosmo,

Tell us a little more about your plan.
I know there will be a BOIL kettle & a HLT kettle. Your third kettle will be the MASH tun.
How are you intending on maintaining the MASH temp - HERMS coil or RIMS?
Also, what is your power source - 50A-240V or 30A-240V?

I do have a couple wiring diagrams that might help you.

P-J

kosmokramer 05-03-2012 03:44 AM

thanks guys, PJ, Looking at all of your wiring diagrams is what is helping me to grasp the way everything all of this works. I am planning on utilizing herms to maintain temps, trying to find the right coil size was part of my research tonight. I will be using keggles so im thinking 50'of 1/2" stainless but not sure what coil diameter, stainless brewing has them in 10,12, and 14 inch.

Power source... hmm, this was another large portion of my evenings readings. I currently only have a 100 amp panel so I was trying to figure out what i could go with. I have a fridge at 8.5 amps, ferm fridge running at 7 amps, and didnt get a chance to check amperage on the keezer but im thinking i can use two 4500 watt elements with the 50 amp gfi spa panel and be okay as long as im not running the ac or anything with a huge draw?
SoCal Edison is coming out tomarrow for a site survey regarding 200 amp upgrade to the panel and my uncle said he would do the work for the cost of the material and permit so that is another option.

Trying to figure out what electrical components i need to buy is going to be the most difficult part for me right now. Do any of your wiring diagrams utilize bcs 460 PJ? I havent come across one yet that does I dont think.

P-J 05-03-2012 05:58 AM

Here is one that would probably fit your needs:

As always - click on the image to see a full scale diagram printable on Tabloid paper (11" x 17")

http://www.pjmuth.org/beerstuff/imag...ng-2-4-a-s.jpg

kosmokramer 05-03-2012 02:15 PM

Wow pj... thanks for such bxa quick drawing.. i do have a couple questions though... i will be doing mostly 5-10 gallon batches... is it better/possible to use 4500 watt element in the ketlles for the brief periods that both might be running at the same time or is it better/safer to keep it this way. What is the thir outlet control for if im using 2 pumps? And can i use indicator lamps to show status on here as well? Thanks for the help again.... there be alot less ebrewers in the world without your help pj

P-J 05-03-2012 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmokramer (Post 4052965)
Wow pj... thanks for such bxa quick drawing.. i do have a couple questions though... i will be doing mostly 5-10 gallon batches... is it better/possible to use 4500 watt element in the ketlles for the brief periods that both might be running at the same time or is it better/safer to keep it this way. What is the thir outlet control for if im using 2 pumps? And can i use indicator lamps to show status on here as well? Thanks for the help again.... there be alot less ebrewers in the world without your help pj

That drawing is for a 30A-240V feed. You certainly could use 4500W elements, but, for you to run them both at the same time your power feed needs to be a 50A-240V feed.

Regarding the 3rd outlet. You certainly do not need to have it in your setup. I placed it when I drew the diagram because the control for it is available with the BCS-460.

You need to decide on your available power feed 30A or 50A. I'll go from there.

P-J

kosmokramer 05-03-2012 03:28 PM

I am going to say 50 amp feed. If i find that i am dimming or tripping breakers with both going at once i will only use one of the 4500's at a time. There shouldnt be any adverse affects from that coreect except the extra cost for a 50 amp feed? Ori should have actually asked this first... will i ver need to run both at the same time... i dont generally do back to back batches

P-J 05-03-2012 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmokramer (Post 4053266)
I am going to say 50 amp feed. If i find that i am dimming or tripping breakers with both going at once i will only use one of the 4500's at a time. There shouldnt be any adverse affects from that coreect except the extra cost for a 50 amp feed? Ori should have actually asked this first... will i ver need to run both at the same time... i dont generally do back to back batches

With a 50A feed you should not have problems running both at the same time (with the pumps as well).

With a 50A feed, there is also additional cost for setting up your controller. You would need to have circuit breakers within your controller. That would be about $50 more for the breakers.

The only time you would need to run both at the same time is if you were running back to back batches, IMHO.

Bsquared 05-03-2012 03:56 PM

Kosmokramer- If you are willing to drive out to San Diego one weekend or in the evening, I have an keg I cut open and was using as an HLT/HEX, but I was trying to braze fittings on to it and I over heated it and it cracked. I'm sure It would be a simple fix for an experienced TIG welder. You can have it for free. I can give you a tour of my all electric set up, that I built using PJ's help, too.

If you are interested PM me and I'll send you some pictures of it.


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