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Old 04-03-2013, 12:51 AM   #11
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:02 AM   #12
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Note: Underlined statement is not true. The normal dryer and range circuits are set up with 2 hots (240V) and a Neutral. This is due to the fact that dryers and ranges have both 240V & 120V devices within them.

With that said, there is a method (technique) to set up a Spa Panel to accomodate our needs for a brewery with 240V & 120V devices while being totally protected with GFCI. (The Spa Panel) I've posted many images (plans) to accomodate this mission.

Also BadNewsBrewery's comment: There is a way.

If the OP, lwcm, would like some more info.. Just say so.

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P-J, can you play the same trick with the spa panel if you have a H-H-G circuit rather than a H-H-N?
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P-J, can you play the same trick with the spa panel if you have a H-H-G circuit rather than a H-H-N?
Please define your H-H-G circuit. What is it used for and how is it wired? What is the circuit breaker size? Also the wire type used for the power delivered? When was it installed? (date wiring completed)

Lots of questions but lots of info so that a proper conclusion can be reached.

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Please define your H-H-G circuit. What is it used for and how is it wired? What is the circuit breaker size? Also the wire type used for the power delivered? When was it installed? (date wiring completed)

Lots of questions but lots of info so that a proper conclusion can be reached.

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I'm really just curious, as I always learn quite a bit from these dialogues. Also, I thought it prudent to point out that not every 3-wire circuit is H-H-N.

If I were to take a shot at answering my own question, I suspect that you could effect the same outcome with the spa panel if your ground wire ran back to the main panel where it was bonded together with neutral. However, it would not be a good idea if the ground wire were not insulated, or if it were not adequately sized for the current. If the ground wire ran to a to a rod or a water pipe then it would not work at all.

Does that make sense? By all means correct me if I'm off.
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I'm really just curious, as I always learn quite a bit from these dialogues. Also, I thought it prudent to point out that not every 3-wire circuit is H-H-N.

If I were to take a shot at answering my own question, I suspect that you could effect the same outcome with the spa panel if your ground wire ran back to the main panel where it was bonded together with neutral. However, it would not be a good idea if the ground wire were not insulated, or if it were not adequately sized for the current. If the ground wire ran to a to a rod or a water pipe then it would not work at all.

Does that make sense? By all means correct me if I'm off.
Whatever --- . I asked you a series of questions. You choose ???

Done! Good luck.

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Whatever --- . I asked you a series of questions. You choose ???

Done! Good luck.

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Come on, P-J. There's no need for that tone! I mean, nobody is trying to be condescending or anything here! You always catch our mistakes when we've overlooked something, such as my bit of misinformation today! We are all trying to genuinely trying to help each other. You do have the gift of better knowledge than most of us. And for that, I'm sure I can speak for a lot of us, we are thankful for someone of your knowledge. But I would hope you could just keep in mind that you are trying to help others that don't quite know the right questions to ask or what information to provide with their question.

I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad, but I just want to keep a positive, and helpful atmosphere here. I really hope this isn't taken in the wrong way, but it's my feelings anyway. I harbor no hard feelings toward anyone here. Who knows, maybe you're just having a bad day. I know this Penguins loss tonight certainly isn't helping my mood.
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"Please define your H-H-G circuit. What is it used for and how is it wired? What is the circuit breaker size? Also the wire type used for the power delivered? When was it installed? (date wiring completed)"

I'm certain that there is some resource that can point me towards being able to answer these types of questions but I have no idea where to look. I know that I plug my 5 year old dryer into this three prong outlet and it works. I also know that in the fuse box the portion that powers the dryer has two 35 amp tube fuses so I'm guessing that I have 35a service to that outlet. But far as being able to tell if it's a HHG or HHN outlet I have no clue. I would guess it's whatever the oldest standard for a three prong dryer outlet provided that standard is after 1945 or so. The wire looks like it's been there forever and it's a flat cable instead of round if that helps at all.

Thanks in advance for any help!

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