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Old 01-18-2012, 09:38 PM   #21
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The last electrical stuff from China arrived yesterday (that is getting installed now) and Chugger got their pumps in yesterday. Pumps are ordered and are on their way. About time to get back to work on this project.

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Old 02-02-2012, 04:58 AM   #22
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It has been slow going as we have been waiting on parts and life has been a little busy as well. Here are the updates. I laid out the back plan of the control board and this is where things are going to go. Looks fairly clean at this point without all the wiring. This was completed on 1-20-2012



The chugger pumps arrived on 1-23-2013. I have heard they have been banned from the site which is sad, un-American, etc in so many ways. I could write on about this for a long time but it is BS that all the vendors (who make money off reselling march pumps) ran him off.



A lot of the vertical build I have seen mount both pumps towards the bottom. I agree with this in a way, but we are only going to mount one at the bottom to reduce the amount of liquid being wasted in the lines and losing heat when going through the lines. Here is a picture of the mounting of the bottom pump. Note the use of expensive John Deere metal which came out of an iron pile at some point.



Here is the mounting of the top pump. It is mounted right below the HLT tank to reduce the hose lengths and reduce heat lose. BTW: I am a Kid Rock fan, but I really didn’t mean to frame him in this picture.



As noted in a previous post, I changed the mounting of the CFC so that it will drain out. I basically took two pieces of angle iron, welded them to the MLT tank mount, notched the angle iron so I could slide zip ties through it and zip tied it down. You can also see in the picture that the temp gauge for the CFC has been mounted.



On to the control panel. I had to move construction of control panel into the house as the garage gets a little cold this time of year. I set up shop in the dining room until I had the mess from hanging drywall in the basement cleaned up. This of course made the wife happy as random pieces of wire laying on the floor wasn’t her idea of a good time. I locked myself into the basement and finished wiring it around 230 am one morning.



Here is a picture of the inside of it. I am going to clean it up after I get it working.



Last Saturday morning I lugged the unit out to the garage and plugged it in. I was being careful as I was sure something wouldn’t work correctly. I was correct which of course wasn’t good. After doing some testing I turn the main switch on, but the main relay didn’t engage. After doing some more voltage checking I did some reading on the relays we purchased and determined they were 110 volt DC relays instead of AC relays. Grrr. I ordered the correct relays yesterday and they should be here on tomorrow. I am head back to my parents’ house to make sausage tomorrow night, but plan on swapping the relay on Sunday morning. With any luck we will have the first batch completed before kickoff of the super bowl, but I am not holding my breath.

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Old 02-02-2012, 11:41 AM   #23
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i was a little surprised to see two pumps on a vertical set up...

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Old 02-02-2012, 12:43 PM   #24
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you might want to flip the upper pump head over, it will be hard to prime that way.

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Old 02-02-2012, 12:46 PM   #25
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PS: I think the moderators ran chugger off not that long ago for promoting product without having a vendor account. Would have been fine without a vendor account if they were just helping with general brewing questions, or how to make it work questions.

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This tread isn't to debate Chugger's status with HBT, but I know they signed up as a vendor a while back. I am also checking with them and they indicated the mounting of the pump didn't matter. I guess we could test it both ways and see if makes a difference.

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Old 02-02-2012, 06:27 PM   #27
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This tread isn't to debate Chugger's status with HBT, but I know they signed up as a vendor a while back. I am also checking with them and they indicated the mounting of the pump didn't matter. I guess we could test it both ways and see if makes a difference.
Interesting... I would think that it could catch an air pocket in the pump to keep it from priming. I would be intrested if you try it that way to see how hard/ easy it is to prime!
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:47 AM   #28
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I forgot this in my last post, but I would highly suggest getting 3/8 hose instead of ½ hose. The fitting we uses would have easily fit on 3/8 hose, the hose is less expensive and you have less wasted liquid in the hose as it is smaller.

IE: use this http://morebeer.com/view_product/203..._-_By_the_Foot
instead of http://morebeer.com/view_product/176..._-_By_the_Foot

I also picked up four 10” filter housing for $19 off of eBay the other day. We are only going to use two of the, but at $1.50 a piece I figured I should get some extras.

In addition, I ordered caps for all of the male fittings on the unit. I do a lot more than brew beer in my garage and things tend to get a little dirty. Hopefully this will help keep crap out of the system.

Tonight was the night to switch out the DC relays with AC relays. The switch only took about 45 minutes with two sets of hands. We replaced the main relay with a 50 amp model so we can easily doing a little re-wiring and run both the HLT and BV at the same time. The other three relays we replaced with 40 amp units as they were cheap. We plugged it in and it worked with no issues. We put some water in the HLT tank and it heated up the water nicely. Thursday we plan on running a batch of sugar water though the system to clean out anything that is in the system that could negatively react to our first batch of beer. We are also going to go to Lowes and pickup the parts we need for need to run a two filter system. At this point it just about learning how to run the system and what works and doesn’t. We obviously have a lot of cleanup to do on the panel and frame that that kind of stuff is easy and just requires money. The hard part is was is in front of us: building the perfect beer (if there is such a thing).

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Old 02-08-2012, 05:48 AM   #29
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I want to go electric in the very near future. Looking good.

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I forgot this in my last post, but I would highly suggest getting 3/8 hose instead of ½ hose. The fitting we uses would have easily fit on 3/8 hose, the hose is less expensive and you have less wasted liquid in the hose as it is smaller.
Actually I would make the opposite recommendation and tell people cloning my setup to *NOT* go with 3/8" ID hose. Use 1/2" ID hose. The flow rate/static pressure/restriction is lower and will cause less issues with pumping.

My system was purposely designed to have 1/2" ID throughout the piping and the flow rate I get is fantastic.

I did this after months of reading what others recommended here from trial and error. Everyone seemed to agree that larger (1/2" ID) is better.

You should get little or negligible wasted liquid in the hose. My hose lengths are short (4-6 feet) and I flush the HERMS coil out with water by the way I sparge so that you don't lose any wort. The only place I lose a bit to the hoses is when chilling. Probably a few cups.

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