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Old 06-08-2014, 10:44 PM   #11
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Hey cougar,

I don't think being a paid or free member is a factor in getting input. I would suggest reading up about electric brewing a bit more and then ask very specific questions. To me, it seems like you are in over your head right now, but with some research you can get it working.

As is, your post for help is pretty vague. I would also recommend taking a little bit of time to turn your pics so we can see them better?

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Old 06-09-2014, 02:43 AM   #12
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I guess I was trying to save space by asking all my questions up front in one post rather than in multiple posts. Forgive me as I have read much on here but was not completely sure about how to ask for help. I don't know why the pictures posted sideways. I thought someone with greater knowledge and experience than I, might look at the panel and guide me to a diagram that is similar in purpose and design to what I have. Then I could purchase the needed components to follow a proven safe diagram. Thank you, I do appreciate your input.

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Old 06-10-2014, 05:38 PM   #13
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This is one of those things that really should be taken care of in person instead of over the internet. You might want to join a local homebrew club and see if any of the members are electric brewers that have set up their own rig. But I'll see if I can help.

If this were my setup, I'd just rip out all of those wires inside the control panel and start over. It's a spaghetti mess and I think it would be a nightmare to try to track down wiring problems. But if you don't know much of anything about wiring these things up, that means you're going to have some considerable down-time while you learn about this stuff.

I'd also get rid of that plywood board inside the control panel and replace it with a piece of thick sheet metal. I don't like the idea of some electrical component frying and then the rest of my panel catching fire. But that's just me.

As for the non-grounded elements...how do you know they're not grounded? If they are 240v elements, they should have two wires supplying power and one wire for ground. Heating elements don't have (or need) neutral wires.

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Old 06-11-2014, 09:35 PM   #14
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I agree with everything you said. Especially that is easier and better to communicate in person than it is using messages. I am a member of great brew club "The Greater Topeka Hall of Foamers". I have a friend in the club who is helping me with this project. When I bought the system and looked at the wiring I decided I would by if for parts and get a diagram I could follow and start over. The plywood bothers me as well as far as the elements, I took a picture with the covers off the elements one four wire cable is used to power both elements the ground and neutral wire are both carrying voltage. I appreciate you responding and looking at the photos for me it helps to confirm what I have been thinking all along.

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Yeah...that doesn't look grounded. That green ground wire might be a smaller gauge than the other ones as well, so powering the rig with it would be even worse. Some people just do not care about their safety at all.

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Also of note - it looks like the original builder used plastic junction boxes, so you wouldn't expect to see a ground wire inside those boxes because the element doesn't have a ground lug - it's grounded via its contact to the kettle. Of course, you need to verify that there's actual contact between the kettle and the element to get a good ground (use a multi-meter on Ohm setting). Then install a ground wire with a sheet metal screw into the bottom lip of the kettle (the part that isn't holding liquid, the rim as it were) so you can ground the kettle and the element.

I agree with the others - rip a lot of it out and start fresh. Trying to reverse engineer someone's decisions and layout, without knowing how or why they did what they did... I hate to say it, but I think you're going to spend a LOT of time and headache paying for whatever you saw in savings buying this thing.

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That's definitely not grounded. Not grounding is a safety concern.

They definitely used a 4-wire cable to power to the two heating elements. As BadNewsBrewery mentioned, the green may be undersized as well, making it undersized for the current that is passing through. This would be a serious issue every time it is used. At the very least check all the wires to make sure they're sized correctly for the amperage they are meant to carry.

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