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Old 02-25-2011, 08:40 PM   #21
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Would someone mind laying out for me what kind of costs I might incure to modify a sanke keg into an electrically heated HLT?



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I am helping someone walk through this here in my neighborhood. You can do it for under $150. Note that this was 120V, so not something super powerful.

PID: $22 (ebay)
25A SSR: $6 (ebay)
Liquid Tight Thermocouple: $25 (ebay - solid thermowell design)
Heater Element: $10 (local hardware)
Extension cord: $15 (local hardware)
Power switch: $4 (local hardware)
Weldless Heater element install kit: $10 ($15 w/ shipping - weldlessfittings.com)
enclosure: $15 (local hardware)
Misc wires: $10

That comes to about $125 right there.



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I am helping someone walk through this here in my neighborhood. You can do it for under $150. Note that this was 120V, so not something super powerful.

PID: $22 (ebay)
25A SSR: $6 (ebay)
Liquid Tight Thermocouple: $25 (ebay - solid thermowell design)
Heater Element: $10 (local hardware)
Extension cord: $15 (local hardware)
Power switch: $4 (local hardware)
Weldless Heater element install kit: $10 ($15 w/ shipping - weldlessfittings.com)
enclosure: $15 (local hardware)
Misc wires: $10

That comes to about $125 right there.
There will be other misc costs depending on exactly how you want to do things. Like: you can have a receptacle on the box and a cord to the kettle, or you can have a female cord coming out of the box and a short pigtail on the kettle.

Probably a wash on cost either way, but different items to buy.

It would end up near $150 when all was said and done.

If you already have some temp controller that can be re-used, then obviously some of these items (PID + temp probe) can be removed from the list. Maybe even the SSR, depending on how much power you put in the kettle and how many amps the controller you have can handle by itself.
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Yeah, you're right. Could boil in there, but I only use it as an HLT. It's a 15 gallon uninsulated stainless pot. Been doing 8 gallon batches, so I start with 12 or more gallons in there, just to be safe.
Gotcha! That actually sounds like a good size element for those volumes. I'm cheap, I want to go 220 in the worst way but that darn 30amp GFI that costs $150..........
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Wow, Walker, I had no idea it would be even that much outside of the temp controller. Those digital johnson controllers are $60-$80 if I remember correctly. I thought I could just plug the element into a Johnson controller and call it good. In reading around the site, though, I now understand that the controllers have a limit to how much amperage they can handle. Am I right on that? Since I don't understand electrical diagrams do you have some pics of different stages of assembly of something like this?

Thanks for all your advice and guidance!

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Gotcha! That actually sounds like a good size element for those volumes. I'm cheap, I want to go 220 in the worst way but that darn 30amp GFI that costs $150..........
Check e-bay. I found a brand-new-in-the-box 50A GFI breaker for $35 shipped when I was building my system. HUGE savings.

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I now understand that the controllers have a limit to how much amperage they can handle. Am I right on that?
That's right. You have to be careful about and amp rating on the controller. For 1500W, you need 12.5A. For 2000W, you need 16.6A.

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Since I don't understand electrical diagrams do you have some pics of different stages of assembly of something like this?
it is possible to draw diagrams that are easy to understand. Will post example later.
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I don't see why one would go to all that trouble and expense just to heat water in the HLT so precisely. You could still be off your temp when you dough in.

While I'm not trying to push the idea of the RIMS tube, it would cost you $50 more and your problem would be more than solved. I mean, you can read the temp digitally from your RIMS tube probe while you heat strike water. Once you dough in, you're done. The PID maintains the mash, which seems the important part, not the strike water.

Just my opinion here, but if you're going to the trouble of installing an element and wiring up a pid and controller, a RIMS tube will do all that and more. All you are really adding to your project is screwing together two stainless tees and a stainless pipe nipple with a few bushings.

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Dgonza9, I appreciate your opinion. Only problem is that I don't think I completely understand how a RIMS system works. Could you dummy it down for me?

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... it would cost you $50 more and your problem would be more than solved....
I would really like to know where you are getting the parts for a 2" SS RIMS tube for $50!?!?!
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www.murrayequipment.com

I did mine in 1 1/2" Stainless. $50.58 total, including the bushings. Can't remember who recommended the source, but they're terrific.


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