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aperk 06-02-2011 11:08 PM

GFCI and etc.
 
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I am putting together an electric rig. Mostly, I am following Kal's beautifully documented example. Although, my initial conditions are a little different. I have a 120/240V outlet that my range is using, which I plan to use. The breaker seems to indicate that I have 40 amps available, despite the outlet being a 50 amp.

My first question: this is just a breaker in the picture, right, not a GFCI?

Assuming that it is not a GFCI, where would I get a 40 amp one? Most seem to only be 30 amp. Just use one for a spa? How are spa panels different? Do they support 4 wire? Is ok to oversize a GFCI? How would I test a GFCI?

Also, do you put GCFI in the control box typically?

I know this is a lot of questions :o Thanks for reading :mug:

eric_pwb 06-03-2011 12:11 AM

That breaker does not appear to be a GFI.
The outlet being rated for 50a just means that it is oversized for the application, the important thing is the rating of the breaker and the gauge of wire between the two.

You can either replace this breaker with a gfi breaker which can be purchased at home deopt or similar store, or you can wire a spa panel between the range outlet and your control panel, you don't need both. If you are using the GFI ONLY as protection from current leakage than it would be okay to oversize it, it would just not protect the wiring from current overdraw.

As for testing GFIs typically have a test button on them...

And you could put a GFI in the control panel if you like, there is no reason to do so if you are using a GFI breaker or spa panel.

Hope that helps

P-J 06-03-2011 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by eric_pwb (Post 2976439)
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If you are using the GFI ONLY as protection from current leakage than it would be okay to oversize it, it would just not protect the wiring from current overdraw.
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** That is provided that the GFCI is after the 40A breaker in the mains panel.

Walker 06-03-2011 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aperk (Post 2976343)
Assuming that it is not a GFCI, where would I get a 40 amp one? Most seem to only be 30 amp.

i found this seimens 40A gfci breaker (not sure if it's the EXACT kind for your panel) on ebay.

Unfortunately it's $170 (+$4 shipping).

http://rover.ebay.com/roverimp/1/711...mpt=1307124103http://cgi.ebay.com/SIEMENS-Circuit-Breaker-QF240-GFCI-QPF-Ground-Fault-40A-/200582736465?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item2eb3a9 aa51

edit: your breaker says "type QP". the one on ebay is type "QPF". I think a QPF is a QP format for ground fault protection. Do not take my word on this, though.

aperk 06-05-2011 04:59 PM

Thanks for the replies.

Now that I know I need a GFCI. I have one more dilemma. I live in an apartment; I'm not a home owner. :( Do I put the GFCI all the way upstream in the breaker box or do I settle for putting it the control panel.

My fear about installing it in the breaker box is that there is no main switch, and I would probably be violating some lease BS. So, I would have to get a electrician who wouldn't mind do that.

milldoggy 06-05-2011 05:40 PM

Sounds like you should make a cable with a stove plug end, run to a spa box with a gfci, then to your kal clone.

aperk 06-05-2011 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milldoggy (Post 2982027)
Sounds like you should make a cable with a stove plug end, run to a spa box with a gfci, then to your kal clone.

That does sound like the best solution. Thanks. I'll begin revising.

P-J 06-05-2011 10:36 PM

Take a look at this post. It might help.

homebrewtalk.com - power-situation-gfci-cord - post # 2948423

milldoggy 06-05-2011 11:39 PM

One more thought, get one of those xerox gfci cables and replace the plug with the stove plug. I use the gfci cable on my rig(actually into a 50 amp breaker). I ran 8 guage romex though.


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