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Old 03-08-2011, 01:24 PM   #1
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I'm finally ready to start switching over to an electric brutus type system using 3 keggles. I'm thinking a hot water tank with a 5500 220 element, a boil kettle with a 5500 watt 220 element and a rims system with a 110 element (not sure what size yet). Then 1 want 2 pumps and the controls. I want to be able to heat water for a second batch while the first is boiling so I could be running both 5500 watt elements at the same time. I think I need to do a 60 amp 220 GFI spa panel in my garage to run both 220 elements. Can I plan to use a regular 110 outlet in my garage to power the 110 rims and 2 pumps? (changed to a GFI outlet or GFI breaker for the 110 in the garage?) Or, would the spa panel be able to power everything? I have friends and relatives who are electricians at my disposal but they want to know what I'm planning before they start looking at what needs to be done.



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60 amps will handle 2 5500w elements on at the same time. I don't think you will need 2 of them in the HLT tank, I have one and it heats up plenty fast.



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Old 03-08-2011, 02:18 PM   #3
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5500W is a LOT of power for the HLT.

Are you making back-to-back 10 gallon batches?

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5500W is a LOT of power for the HLT.

Are you making back-to-back 10 gallon batches?
Be sweet for heating cleaning water. A keggle HLT full of hot oxy water makes cleaning up a LOT easier.

I'm limited to 4000 watts in mine.
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I would like the ability to do back to back 10 gallon batches if possible but more than likely it would be a 10 and a 5 or 5 and 5. I would rather not discover later that I needed more power. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what I need. What size elements are recommended for the HLT, RIMS tube and boil kettle for doing up to 10 gallon batches?

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I have a one kettle system in the winter with my HLT becoming my kettle after sparging from my cooler. 12 gallon batchs, 5500w is nice for heating water and coming to a boil! 55% duty cycle keeps it boiling nicely once it reaches the boil.

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Be sweet for heating cleaning water. A keggle HLT full of hot oxy water makes cleaning up a LOT easier.

I'm limited to 4000 watts in mine.
Even if you had only 2000W in the HLT, you'd be able to heat up 8 gallons of water in about an hour. Since that heating could be going on during the 60 minute boil of the wort, there's plenty of power with just a small element.

but, I guess it might be nice to have a LOT of power in the HLT so that you could have your second batch's mash actually done around the time you were finished chilling the 1st batch.
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I would like the ability to heat water fast for 2 reasons, my well water is between 40-55 degrees year round and I have no patience. I'm working on the patience problem.

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The part I like with 5500w in the HLT is that I can put in 8 gallons of room temp water and be at mash in temp about the time I have my grain ground and ready for the MT.

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I'm nowhere near a final design yet but I don't think you can have too much power. The key is making sure you can energize the vessel/elements that are most important to moving the brew day along but without overloading. Some thoughts I've had were running two 4500w elements in the HLT where they didn't necessarily have to be energized together at the same time. It's just that the controls are the most expensive part of the solution.

Faster Strike Heating - Run 2 x 4500w and heat about 5 gallons of strike water in 8 minutes.

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Run 1 x 5500w in the HLT but also recirc. that water through a 1500w RIMS to heat 5 gallons of strike in about 11 minutes. The benefit is that the RIMS will already be under control so no extra control needed. This would also be the state during mashing and sparge heating.

During a long fly sparge, you have to maintain sparge water temp and then also speed things along by energizing the BK once the element is wet. However, that doesn't necessarily mean the HLT/BK elements have to do the work. If you're running a 1500w RIMS tube, you can probably use that to bump the sparge temp up a couple degrees if the temp slipped a bit.

4500 is more than enough in a BK because you're going from 170 to 212 and once you're there, it takes much less to keep it going.

In any case, ended up installing a 50amp spa panel.



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