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Old 12-07-2011, 01:55 AM   #41
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Is your meter accurate? If it's digital, I have a few that are all over the place. I have a good old analog meter that I use when it's critical. Test with another meter if you can.
Just have a cheap digital. It's been pretty good, but not great. Nothing else in the house has issues with power, so I'll move forward, over engineer the design and go from there. Once the system is put together, I'll stress test it to see the limits, I'm fine with one element only at a time, but both would be icing on the cake.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:23 AM   #42
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Just have a cheap digital. It's been pretty good, but not great. Nothing else in the house has issues with power, so I'll move forward, over engineer the design and go from there. Once the system is put together, I'll stress test it to see the limits, I'm fine with one element only at a time, but both would be icing on the cake.
It's probably just the meter then.

Capacity to run both elements is nice. I would recommend starting that way if you can. There are many occasions when I use both. I actually have the wiring installed and all the parts to add a second element to my HLT for quicker heating. I have 3 circuits run to the brewery, 50A 240, 30A 240 and 20A 120 for my controller. I may go 20 gallon someday and I won't need to add any feeds
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:20 AM   #43
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Okay, so this day could have gone better with regard to this project. I received my breaker for the panel outside today, only to find that the spot where it goes, is of no use. Turns out the contacts that my breaker locks onto, and through which the electricity flows, were broken off prior. So my 2 pole, 2 inch breaker is of no use, I now have to find a 1" 2 pole 50a breaker for a 14 year old Challenger electrical panel, or else replace the panel. Unless, it is okay to run the 220v through the conduit, with no pre breaker, and tie that into my spa panel? How about, doubt it. Anyone have any ideas here? What makes this even more complicated is that there really is only the option of the 1", 2 pole breaker. All the breakers in the box are 1" 1 pole, 2 breaker config except the 60a for my A/C (or dryer). Even the 30a for the dryer/a/c is a 2 switch, 1 inch type. I'm not really up for replacing the entire panel right now.

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Old 12-08-2011, 01:43 AM   #44
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Can you post a pic of the panel?

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Can you post a pic of the panel?
Where I had original planned to put the breaker:


Where it is going to have to sit instead:


The crap Challenger panel:


Woudl this one fit and swap the bottom 2 switch block of 15a breakers?
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Many panels have the buss clipped opposite the main...frustrating!

I have never seen a panel that full of tandems! A bigger panel sure is cheaper.

The combo tandem is what you need. I can't say if a homeline breaker will fit in a challenger. Technically it is not proper to use it. See if you can find that breaker from Cutler Hammer and you will be good for sure.

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Many panels have the buss clipped opposite the main...frustrating!

I have never seen a panel that full of tandems! A bigger panel sure is cheaper.

The combo tandem is what you need. I can't say if a homeline breaker will fit in a challenger. Technically it is not proper to use it. See if you can find that breaker from Cutler Hammer and you will be good for sure.
Turns out the Eaton Cutler BR breakers are considered a valid substitute, thanks to the corporate merger world. I just wish I was informed of this before I ordered a breaker online for $20 that I could have bought at the box for less than $10, and returned when it didn't worked.

Tomorrow I head to the box store to purchase a 30a/50a dual 240v breaker by Eaton that I can put in 2 1" spaces, as well as a single dual 15a 120v breaker for 1 1" space. I just hope they have the big one in stock, the websites weren't too reassuring.
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I have never seen a panel that full of tandems! A bigger panel sure is cheaper.
Sad part, this is my second house had a panel full of tandems. My last house, a built in 2007, had a tiny GE panel full of tandems. The panel was practically the smallest box out there, I swear the builder was cutting corners. I left it full when we moved.

Someday, down the road, we'll probably swap out the panel here, put in a surge protector, etc. But I'm not up for dropping money on that yet.
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I looked up the Eaton number: BQ2502115

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Quick search: Cutler Hammer BQ2502115 - Bay Breakers Online

Not too bad for price. You can probably find cheaper with some searching.

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