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Old 12-06-2011, 04:09 PM   #51
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LOL. That was my sig that I removed quite some time ago. Are other people actually using it?
I thought that was yours, but didn't see it in your current posts. I just searched for it with keywords, and it came up so at least one guy is currently using it. I remember when I first noticed it, and there was some scary advice being given. Guys were even removing their correct advice to divorce themselves from the situation.
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:43 PM   #52
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that being said, cwi, why don't you actually give us some useful information and tell us about your brewery. I can tell you're dying to tell us all how smart you are.
+1 lmao!
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:32 PM   #53
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+1 lmao!
I really don't see what is so funny about recommending someone get some facts instead of relying on internet chat rooms for electrical advice, but I guess you must:

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Thank you for posting this. It does depend on the insulation.

I just have a trivial question, though. I have 8 gauge wire with insulation (THHN) that can handle 55 amperes, according to NEC. Is it okay for me to consistently run 55 amperes through it? I don't plan on doing so - just wondering.
Why not just pick your favorite answer from one of several conflicting ones already posted.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:50 PM   #54
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I really don't see what is so funny about recommending someone get some facts instead of relying on internet chat rooms for electrical advice, but I guess you must:



Why not just pick your favorite answer from one of several conflicting ones already posted.
cwi, I mean this in the absolute nicest way so take this advice as constructive criticism and not as a personal attack. Your attitude here doesn't appear to be winning you any friends. You seem to be smart and well informed but your posts are typically formatted in such a way as to showcase your intellect while subtly mocking others. You are the living, breathing definition of smarmy. I think you mean well and often give out very good advice but it gets overlooked or discounted because of the manner in which you deliver it.

Back to the original question of wire gauge and ampacity, there are going to be different answers because there is no hard rule about what gauge is correct. The NEC has it's rules and various other wiring books and guides have theirs. It will depend on the application. I would certainly err on the side of caution if the wiring were inside my walls and I ran the risk of burning down the house. I'm far less concerned when the length is very short, the wire is run through the air, and the wire is run singly (i.e. chasis wiring). It's all about comfort level.

I think there are a lot of risks in electric brewing but honestly, undersized wire catching fire in the event of a short is very low on my list. Others may disagree and they should plan their build accordingly. I think everyone here has suggested that each person should do their own homework and do what they are comfortable with.
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:35 PM   #55
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You are the living, breathing definition of smarmy.
It has usually been referred to as snarky, but smarmy probably fits also.

I would say the guy deserved it after going to the trouble of posting a 'lmao' in response to someone else's equally smarmy comment directed at me. I usually only get smarmy after the other side already has.

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I think everyone here has suggested that each person should do their own homework and do what they are comfortable with.
This did not happen, and was the reason why I posted. Somebody posted saying that it was perfectly OK to drive the SSR at whatever freq one wants, even after others said not to. I just suggested getting some factual info.
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cwi, I mean this in the absolute nicest way so take this advice as constructive criticism and not as a personal attack. Your attitude here doesn't appear to be winning you any friends. You seem to be smart and well informed but your posts are typically formatted in such a way as to showcase your intellect while subtly mocking others. You are the living, breathing definition of smarmy. I think you mean well and often give out very good advice but it gets overlooked or discounted because of the manner in which you deliver it.
Thank you Lost. I wasn't sure if I was being over sensitive about the attitude. It comes across as patronizing when what we really want is a piece of the smarts. I get smarmy when my ability is questioned in a patronizing manner especially when it's not backed by solid evidence of actually being wrong. I don't feel I was the first to smarm but if I was then I apologize. I've already dropped the idea of going electric any time soon anyway due to budget limits.

I don't expect direct answers coming here asking for advice. Sometimes you get them and they're from someone qualified to give them and bingo. Sometimes people clue you in on what you need to do homework on. Other times you're just looking for someone who has also assigned themselves with the same homework you've assigned yourself. Perhaps they've found links to legitimate sources of info, and maybe you've found some they haven't. In the end you've both saved each other time and Googling. I mean what if you started a thread about typical malts in an amber and the first response was to go do your homework as opposed to a link to a clone of a commercial amber? You could also get a response that it contains 80% roasted barley. At that point it's up to the OP to choose their own fate by directly using that advice or cross referencing it against another source.

Can we just go back to making beer now?
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:42 PM   #57
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I get smarmy when my ability is questioned in a patronizing manner especially when it's not backed by solid evidence of actually being wrong.
I qualified my questioning of your knowledge level, and that it may not be the case. It was more related to your ability to screen all the conflicting info that had already been presented. I never posted any specs or system advice other than the existence of other forums, which I listed, that are more focused on this topic.

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I mean what if you started a thread about typical malts in an amber and the first response was to go do your homework as opposed to a link to a clone of a commercial amber? You could also get a response that it contains 80% roasted barley. At that point it's up to the OP to choose their own fate by directly using that advice or cross referencing it against another source.
That is why my initial advice was to try the arduino and brewtroller boards which are populated with people more focused on electronics than beer. I don't see how that was equivalent to me telling you to go do your own research.

Keep in mind this was after conflicting posts regarding SSR driver freqs, PID behavior, wiring specs, etc. I was only suggesting another source of info and input that may be a better choice for cross referencing, as you say. It appeared to me that you had already received the 80% roasted barley advice. 2% and 40% as well.

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I don't feel I was the first to smarm but if I was then I apologize.
Like identifying porn, classifying smarm is something only a jury of peers could determine, or maybe a governmental agency. Less fun than id'ing porn, though.
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Like identifying porn, classifying smarm is something only a jury of peers could determine, or maybe a governmental agency. Less fun than id'ing porn, though.
Ok, I like you again now.
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