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**P-J** · 08-21-2012, 01:07 AM

cruelkix,

Please refresh you view of the diagram. I caught some errors on the wiring plan after I posted it and then fixed them. I called out the elements as 5000W units. It's fixed now. I see that you replied before I had a chance to complete the fix so I thought it would be best to advise you.

Hope this fits your needs.

P-J

**passedpawn** · 08-21-2012, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan

Three phase

Pappy a little help. I use to know this and now forget.. WTeff has my mind gone?

Attachment 72561

That's a wye config you drew there Dan. Same power as the Delta config by PJ. Same same.

huntb, please delete your post or replace "three phase with split phase".

onthekeg · 08-21-2012, 01:35 AM

I thought Wye and Delta were different?

**P-J** · 08-21-2012, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan

Three phase

Pappy a little help. I use to know this and now forget.. WTeff has my mind gone?

Attachment 72561

Try this:

208-3-phase-WYE

240V-3-phase-Delta

**passedpawn** · 08-21-2012, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onthekeg

I thought Wye and Delta were different?

Different arrangement, same dissipated power / heat.

onthekeg · 08-21-2012, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by passedpawn

Different arrangement, same dissipated power / heat.

So I can hook up the power to my 3 phase steam kettle and use single phase and it won't matter? I asked this question about a year ago. Heating elements don't care, motors do, right?

**passedpawn** · 08-21-2012, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onthekeg

So I can hook up the power to my 3 phase steam kettle and use single phase and it won't matter? I asked this question about a year ago. Heating elements don't care, motors do, right?

Elements don't care at all, but you won't get as much heat as you want.
Are you sure it's 3-phase? How many leads? Can you measure the resistance between 2 of them?

grandequeso · 08-21-2012, 03:52 AM

Be careful messing around with 120/240v 3 phase. Its a common amatuer electrician mistake to accidently hook something up onto the "high leg" . essentially every third breaker is not to be used for single phase loads (line to neutral) as that leg carries 200+ volts on it. Line to line you will get a nominal voltage of 240v , On two of the legs you will get 120v to ground, but on the one of the three legs will have a much higher voltage to ground. If you accidently hook your pumps up to that leg (or anything else that normally runs on 120v), you will burn them up.

PJ- I think there are still a few mistakes in you drawing. Your 30a 3 phase breakers will not hold all three elements going at the same time. If it was a 3 phase two element rig you could get away with it set up as. Elemet one = line 1,2. element two= line 2,3. To balance the load. That way you only had a 5500 watt load on each leg. But with three elements you'd be running 16,500 watts / (1.73 x 240)= 40a on each leg of your 3 phases. If you're going to use three elements I would hook them up element one Line 1, 2. element two. line 2,3. element three line 1,3. This would balance the load between the three elements. And the ssr would need to be split up accordingly. the three elements would be fed. L1 R2, L2 R3, L3 R1. L= straight line power off the breaker and R= power ran thru the ssr.

Grandequeso

**P-J** · 08-21-2012, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grandequeso

Be careful messing around with 120/240v 3 phase. Its a common amatuer electrician mistake to accidently hook something up onto the "high leg" . essentially every third breaker is not to be used for single phase loads (line to neutral) as that leg carries 200+ volts on it. Line to line you will get a nominal voltage of 240v , On two of the legs you will get 120v to ground, but on the one of the three legs will have a much higher voltage to ground. If you accidently hook your pumps up to that leg (or anything else that normally runs on 120v), you will burn them up.

PJ- I think there are still a few mistakes in you drawing. Your 30a 3 phase breakers will not hold all three elements going at the same time. If it was a 3 phase two element rig you could get away with it set up as. Elemet one = line 1,2. element two= line 2,3. To balance the load. That way you only had a 5500 watt load on each leg. But with three elements you'd be running 16,500 watts / (1.73 x 240)= 40a on each leg of your 3 phases. If you're going to use three elements I would hook them up element one Line 1, 2. element two. line 2,3. element three line 1,3. This would balance the load between the three elements. And the ssr would need to be split up accordingly. the three elements would be fed. L1 R2, L2 R3, L3 R1. L= straight line power off the breaker and R= power ran thru the ssr.

Grandequeso

You do not have a clue. But - in that case I'll just take it down. (I believe you are mistaken - however.) Good first post.! Saves me one hell of a lot of time going forward.!

You are all on your own now.

I'm Done...

onthekeg · 08-21-2012, 04:42 AM

We don't have to get all worried about a few stray volts. I apologize if my question caused an issue. What was the saying? "220, 221 whatever it takes."
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