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Old 05-04-2012, 04:10 PM   #1
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http://beerpulse.com/2012/05/the-pro...n+the+world%29

so....just use clarex?
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Old 05-04-2012, 04:54 PM   #2
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I wouldn't trust it just yet. My understanding is that there is no established, effective industry standard detection method for the gluten resulting from malted grains. Obviously minimizing protein content throughout the process is going to help. I believe Corona is technically gluten-free according to the 20ppm standard as well! I suspect there are American lagers that theoretically fall below 20ppm too.

Just because they hire a lab to test it doesn't mean the lab is using the right test. I think a controlled test of celiac sufferers is in order. To do that you'd need to mask the flavors of the beer to allow for placebo.

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Old 05-04-2012, 05:22 PM   #3
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Remember that there was a study out that did a study that showed beers resulting in high levels despite being called low gluten that was using a mass spectrometer that showed high levels of specific proteins.

Plus there's a lot that's unknown about the reaction and full details of removal of these items. I expect that it'll be a case by case basis for people who don't care enough and want to risk themselves, (maybe because at the worst with normal gluten they have a mild reaction).

There's certainly promising studies but even they say a *reduction* not elimination, and it's still hard to say just at what quantity the body (which is different for everyone) can handle.

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Old 05-04-2012, 08:08 PM   #4
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Tried the lager on my way through Portland (the pale ale was sold out everywhere I looked, sadly). Meh. I liked it better the first time I tried it...when it was called Daura. Whoop-de-do, more generic-tasting gluten-free beer. Now, if Stone or Lagunitas came out with something GF, then I'd be interested.

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Old 07-11-2012, 01:05 AM   #5
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I have celiac disease (diagnosed a year ago). I am really sensitive: multiple trials showed a reaction to walking into a bakery (without eating anything). I often react to foods made on shared facilities. I would guess I'm sensitive to around the 10 ppm level for a typical serving size. I may be less sensitive now, as I calculated all that stuff around the 6 month mark and I would guess I've healed a lot since then.

A couple weeks ago I was visiting family in Portland and got to try the Omission beer (both the lager and the ale). I drank about one bottle each time, and didn't get sick from it. So here's at least one celiac who didn't get a reaction from it.

As for doing a blind study, I've had a poor correlation between thinking I'd get sick and actually getting sick, and my reaction is strong when I do get glutened, so for me it doesn't seem susceptible to the nocebo effect, and thus wouldn't require a blind test.

It's difficult to extrapolate my experience to others, though, unless we knew that the enzymes broke down hordein into very short peptides. It could easily break it down enough to test negative (down to 5 ppm sensitivity) with the ELISA tests, but still be intact enough to react in vivo for some (even if it didn't in others). But at least I can provide one test case of trying it and not having a reaction.

By the way, this is my first post. I was just getting into brewing before I got diagnosed, so I'm thrilled to find this subforum. I'd love to get back into brewing.

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Old 07-11-2012, 03:37 PM   #6
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They finally started selling Omission here in the SF Bay Area, so I thought I'd try a sixer of the pale ale. I'm sad to say that 1) it doesn't taste very good, and 2) after two bottles, I began feeling ill and promptly took an extended stay in the bathroom. I felt fine after one, but the second one was too much. When I took that trip to the Northwest and tried a sixer of the lager, I rationed the heck out of it and never drank more than one in a sitting, but I did drink that whole sixer without issue. So I'm surprised that drinking 2 gave me a reaction, as I was pretty sure the beer was safe. FWIW, I'm gluten-intolerant, not a celiac sufferer, and gluten intolerance is not nearly so well understood as celiac disease.

I won't be buying Omission again, and I'll be recommending others to stay away. New Planet tastes better anyway.

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Old 07-14-2012, 04:13 AM   #7
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I have celiac disease (diagnosed a year ago). I am really sensitive: multiple trials showed a reaction to walking into a bakery (without eating anything). I often react to foods made on shared facilities. I would guess I'm sensitive to around the 10 ppm level for a typical serving size. I may be less sensitive now, as I calculated all that stuff around the 6 month mark and I would guess I've healed a lot since then.

A couple weeks ago I was visiting family in Portland and got to try the Omission beer (both the lager and the ale). I drank about one bottle each time, and didn't get sick from it. So here's at least one celiac who didn't get a reaction from it.

As for doing a blind study, I've had a poor correlation between thinking I'd get sick and actually getting sick, and my reaction is strong when I do get glutened, so for me it doesn't seem susceptible to the nocebo effect, and thus wouldn't require a blind test.

It's difficult to extrapolate my experience to others, though, unless we knew that the enzymes broke down hordein into very short peptides. It could easily break it down enough to test negative (down to 5 ppm sensitivity) with the ELISA tests, but still be intact enough to react in vivo for some (even if it didn't in others). But at least I can provide one test case of trying it and not having a reaction.

By the way, this is my first post. I was just getting into brewing before I got diagnosed, so I'm thrilled to find this subforum. I'd love to get back into brewing.
Similar situation as I used to be an avid home brewer before being diagnosed almost two years ago. I also can consume Omission without any problems. The pale ale is very good for a GF beer; the lager is a small notch above Bud. For a better GF lager the Estrella Damm Daura from Spain is quite tasty.
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my LBS just started carrying Omission, I was only able to find the pale ale. one is currently sitting in my fridge. Ill give it a shot here soon and report back..

also very interesting the comment that one was fine but two was too many

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my LBS just started carrying Omission, I was only able to find the pale ale. one is currently sitting in my fridge. Ill give it a shot here soon and report back..

also very interesting the comment that one was fine but two was too many

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Old 08-01-2012, 12:05 AM   #10
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My wife was diagnosed celiacs in november, she drank a sixer of the daura out of spain, no more than 2 at a time and said there was minimal or no reaction... She didnt care for the bards tale, but i loved it... And she did like the strawberry blonde from dogfish, it was one of tweason ales so only release it like 3 times a year with limited distribution out west here

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