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Lcasanova 09-09-2009 07:15 PM

Malting Gluten Free Grains
 
I haven't seen another posting that referred to this, but for those of you not part of the Gluten Free Brewers group on here, this is a post I just made on that forum.

Okay, not tried to malt anything YET, but I got curious during work after I saw a post, it may have been by Kontreren, that said something along the lines that "sorghum is referred to as millet often"- can't we malt that?! :drunk:

Anyways, I ran across these two posts from a blog and thought it was helpful:

Life's a Garden...Dig It!: Malting Gluten-free Grains

Life's a Garden...Dig It!: Malting Gluten-free Grains - Part 2

This guy shows pictures of the malted/toasted "wort" left behind after steeping- very cool- AND he gives a short blurb as to the malting time, roasting temp, smell and taste.

kontreren 09-10-2009 01:39 AM

Hulled Buckwheat Malting?
 
I am getting conflicting information about whether hulled buckwheat will sprout or not. I have some raw hulled buckwheat that I plan to attempt a malt with in the next few days. Does anyone know if hulled buckwheat will sprout or not?

Ammended: I ordered unhulled buckwheat, sprouted, and malted that. I've actually malted it and brewed a GF chocolate using the buckwheat, flaked corn, instant rice, and of course chocolate. Rule of thumb. If you sprout it and it stinks do not use it. I sprouted hulled millet but it smelled aweful so I think it needs more attention than I gave it. Will try again in 2012, year of the dragon.

KYB 09-10-2009 04:06 AM

Here is a message from bluffwallace who only posts in the GF Group. Some pretty good info in there. Apparently they make awesome GF beer, even real dark GF beer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluffwallace
I have never tried Amaranth please let me know how it works out. Here is an attachment I sent someone else for GF brewing. Hopefully it will help you. At the end is a cheap easy way of malting grains and roasting. Remember to malt you must have the seeds (husk). Make sure your grain and yeast are gluten free. With sorghum syrup you can use unmalted grains.
I have Celiac Disease and brew strictly gluten free. My goal is strong hopped dark beer which I always achieve. My gluten free beer is awesome. I have successfully malted Buckwheat and Quinoa grains. I use the red quinoa instead of the white because it adds more color to the beer. I use Red Quinoa (Ancient Harvest or Bobs red mill white quinoa) and both are gluten free. As for buckwheat, you canNOT use Kasha or de-hulled buckwheat. You need to use buckwheat seed with the husk. Make sure that the buckwheat is gluten free. Many brands of buckwheat are cross contaminated with gluten. I buy in 25 lb bags from the Birkett Mills. The Birkett Mills: America's #1 Producer of Buckwheat Products they have a phone number on their website. They are not expensive (about $25 and you only need about 1-2 lbs per batch).
I use the malted quinoa for flavor -- it smells sooo sweet when steeping like tea at 156 degrees prior to the boil. I use buckwheat more for color but flavor as well. The buckwheat really adds dark color. buckwheat adds lots of flavor as well but it is not as sweet as the quinoa. It is more bitter and nutty but adds fantastic depth and color to the beer. I would suggest 1 lb malted quinoa and 1/2 to 1 lb of buckwheat per 5 gallon batch. I use many other grains for color and flavor but I do NOT malt them. these include Sorghum grain, millet and buckwheat and quinoa as well. Just roast to desired color and grind. If you brew with Sorghum syrup, you don't need malted grains. Any grains will give color and flavor. You must roast all grain prior to brewing. I always use Sorghum Extract and/or Rice syrup for my base and add about 2 lbs of grain to the brew. The syrups have the sugar and enzymes needed so it allows you to add unmalted grains if you want to .
Here is my process: I usually malt 2 lbs at a time. I take a large piece of soft black window screen. tie it into a sack with wire and pour in the grain. I submerge the grain in a bucket of cool water for about 12 hours. I change the water once or twice. after the 12 hours, I rinse the grain and put it back in the bucket and put a towel over the top. This helps keep molds out but also keeps the moisture in. I take the grain out and rinse it about every 8 hours throughout the malting. After 1 or 2 days, you will see the seed sprout. When the rootlets are 1.5 times the length of the seed you are done. I take pizza pans and lay a towel on them. I spread the grain on the towels to dray-- usually about a day. then I take the grain off of the towels and spread on the pizza pans to dry 1 or 2 more days. The thinner you spread it the quicker it drys. A fan may speed up the process as well.I then bake the grain in the oven starting at 170 deg F. after 1 hour I increase the temp to about 225, and turn it up 25 deg about every 1/2 hour. The darker you roast the darker and more bitter the beer. be careful, it will start to smoke up a bit at temps above 375deg. I have even roasted at 400 deg charring it like black coffee and the beer was a bit bitter but was a great color and with sorghum syrup and a ****load of hops it was great beer. after cooking, cool and place grain in a paper bag for at least 1 week to allow the bad flavors to escape. Grind and brew. When brewing the grain you do not want the temp to get over 165 deg F. at higher temps the husk will release bitter tannins into the beer. Have fun. I just brewed two batches today.


BBBF 09-10-2009 05:33 PM

I malted some hulled buckwheat over the weekend and had no problems. I can't say the same for the millet I tried malting.




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Lcasanova 09-23-2009 11:15 PM

I thought the hull had to be intact in order to malt...what brand buckwheat did you use. I have ancient harvest but I don't think it will work for some reason.

BBBF 09-24-2009 05:47 PM

Whole Foods - Bulk Bin

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Lcasanova 10-04-2009 01:34 AM

I now have 2lbs sorghum soaking, we'll see how this malt turns out. I don't think I'll be mashing with this just yet- more like roasting then steeping...

kontreren 10-04-2009 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcasanova (Post 1587259)
I now have 2lbs sorghum soaking, we'll see how this malt turns out. I don't think I'll be mashing with this just yet- more like roasting then steeping...

I'll be interested to see if the sorghum will malt. I am attempting to 2 lbs of hull on buckwheat and 1 lb of hull off. What is the proper terminology for that anyway? Does the term hulled mean hull on or hull off? Is unhulled a word? Cognitive Dissonance this morning.

Parker36 10-04-2009 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcasanova (Post 1587259)
I now have 2lbs sorghum soaking, we'll see how this malt turns out. I don't think I'll be mashing with this just yet- more like roasting then steeping...

I'm curious as well. Have you posted a recipe of what you are planning on brewing with it?

Lcasanova 10-04-2009 07:12 PM

I haven't planned that far ahead yet. I figured I would try out a small portion of this just to see what happens. Then I'll dry it and roast it...wonder how long it will keep?


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