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Old 09-16-2010, 06:12 PM   #21
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If I replaced the brown sugar with Candi sugar, and carmelized the honey that would make for a much fuller beer. Think its enough?
But there is more to it than just the level of fermentables, you want something that tastes like how you want to malt backbone of the beer to taste.

The simple sugar will taste like nothing, or plain alcohol burn.
The carm. honey will taste like...whatever that tastes like.
The Dark Sugar will have some sweet fruit/prune/raisin notes.
The BRS has a faint flavor, difficult to describe, but sort of like overcooked white rice. Described by my GF as "Bisquick".

So, does this sound like a beer you would want to drink? If so, then just give us a new recipe and we can help you make slight adjustments to get the FG where you want it to be.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:15 PM   #22
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I'm curious about the issue with mouthfeel. As I mentioned in my own thread I've made wine for years and routinely add as much if not more simple sugars to attain the target OG without having a thin wine. I generally shoot for dry or nearly so. Mouthfeel in wine is produced by glycerin, phenols, tannins as well as non-fermentable sugars. I can make a wine that has an FG of 1.000 or pretty close that has 12-14 percent ABV and still have plenty of mouthfeel. Is this not the case with beer? Although looking at the recipe it does seem a little light on the complex flavor component side with simple sugars weighing in at almost the same as the grains.

As for names would it be inappropriate to add "imperial" before it's designation if it's an Ale or something like "dopple" if it's a Lager? These indicate higher gravity without referencing the actual ingredients. Just thinking out loud.

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Someone did a heavily cooked honey in their brew. IIRC, it was less fermentable and gave it some serious color. I would imagine it to have a taste similar to brown sugar for some reason.

EDIT: Found it: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f164/car...-color-179579/
Have you guys seen this?


I'm actually considering doing this on Sunday along with the barleywine.
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Too me, a rich, full wine would be a thin mouthfeel for a beer. It is just a different beverage in my eyes and hard to compare though. Wine routinely has lots of sucrose mixed with the piles of fructose, at least in fruit wines, whereas beer is routinely 100% grain malt. That being said, perhaps the mouthfeel of a simple sugar dominated beer wont bother you, but I think a "wine-like" mouthfeel on a beer would feel too thin to me.

In any case, to add mouthfeel, why don't you toss some oats in your mash? I also hear bananas can do wonders and maybe better for you with your wine roots.

Imperial/Doppel/Double would work, but yours is more like a Quad, but that of course makes it sound Belgian, which it isnt.

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Have you guys seen this?

I'm actually considering doing this on Sunday along with the barleywine.
I just wonder how fermentable that is...seems like it would be ultra-sweet if it really loses all that fermentability.
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I just wonder how fermentable that is...seems like it would be ultra-sweet if it really loses all that fermentability.
I don't know, sadly Johnny Max appears to have shifted interest away from brewing to evidently, survivalism, and hasn't updated much of his brew related stuff, especially the making of the brochet. If I do do it, at least I can follow up for folks.
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unfortunately I cannot eat oats either
I am going to have to think this over and post a revised recipe. Thanks for all the help, Ill be back later with the recipe.

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I don't know, sadly Johnny Max appears to have shifted interest away from brewing to evidently, survivalism, and hasn't updated much of his brew related stuff, especially the making of the brochet. If I do do it, at least I can follow up for folks.
http://www.mrbeerfans.com/ubbthreads...&Number=166510

This guy seems to be a little more measurement oriented than the guy with a goat next to a firepit.

He also says his ended up at 7.3% ABV and he didn't cook his near as long as the other.
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unfortunately I cannot eat oats either
I am going to have to think this over and post a revised recipe. Thanks for all the help, Ill be back later with the recipe.
Hmmm...is this an elective non-eating? Otherwise, there are gluten-free oats you know...

In any case, let us know, we will be here discussing roastied honey.
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Thanks for the link!!!! Yeah I think "The Professor" is probably a tad more scientific than the "BrEw CrAzY" guy.

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