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Old 07-20-2010, 06:25 PM   #1
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Default Yeast from secondary better than yeast from primary?

Was just wondering if washed yeast from secondary is more/less viable than washed yeast from primary? I've been washing all the yeast I can from my initial fermentations of the wild juniper berry yeast I've been propagating. http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f163/can...erries-169156/
There is more available from the primary than the secondary and I know they are both viable and the yeast from secondary is easier to clean, but is one better than the other in some way?

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Old 07-20-2010, 06:33 PM   #2
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I prefer starter yeast for propagation, but primary yeast is definitely better than secondary yeast.

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Old 07-20-2010, 06:34 PM   #3
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That's a good question.

Personally, I don't see why secondary yeast would be healthier/unhealthier than primary yeast considering if it's dropped out, it's gone dormant. I personally rarely use a secondary, so I don't every wash yeast from it, but I have in the past, and agree that it's got far less trub in it. Therefore, making it easier to wash, as you previously said.

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I've always read that you want to use the secondary yeast as it'll be cleaner. I dont have enough experience washing yeast to say otherwise. Nor do I think the yeast in the 2ndary would be inferior to the primaries yeast.

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Well I don’t do secondaries for the most part so the yeast I save is 50% trub , but it works just fine.. however a case could be made that the yeast in secondary has higher attenuation and slower flocculation being that is still floating around working in the secondary.
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Old 07-20-2010, 07:09 PM   #6
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I've read that you want primary yeast because it's more highly flocculant.
I've read that you want secondary yeast because it's cleaner.

Personally I've had no problems washing yeast from the primary and using it. YMMV.

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I've read that you want primary yeast because it's more highly flocculant.
I've read that you want secondary yeast because it's cleaner.
My personal experience: I always clean from the secondary because it's easier, but after 5 batches done with the same yeast, I see it's less flocculant as it was at the start.
That said, I can't say if the same yeast used 5 times from the primary would be more flocculant from the one taken from the secondary.

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It makes sense it would be slower floccing yeast, but I can't imagine otherwise being inferior or superior. There will be less of it though.

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I've always read that you want to use the secondary yeast as it'll be cleaner. I dont have enough experience washing yeast to say otherwise. Nor do I think the yeast in the 2ndary would be inferior to the primaries yeast.
I disagree. The secondary yeast may be "cleaner", but it will be the least flocculant, most stressed yeast out of the entire batch.

You want yeast from the primary. That's the "healthiest" yeast. The stuff from the secondary is less flocculant, and it's been swimming in an alcohol rich environment much longer. The stuff from the bottom of the secondary may look cleaner, with less trub, but it's not something that I'd want to propagate.
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Reading some other posts and articles and joining their infos with this thread is leading me to a new perspective that I think I'll apply to the next batch:
- make a batch with a brand new yeast;
- clean the first fermenter yeast, which comes in high quantity;
- divide the high quantity yeast to 5-6 little bottles;
- use a new bottle every time I need to make a starter.

Pros:
- every time a second generation yeast to use, avoiding genetic derive;
- the whole yeast cleaning operation has to be done just once.

Cons:
- many little bottles in the fridge;
- older yeasts to wake up (but I never had this problem, even with 1 year old yeasts).

What you think?

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