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soulfegebrewing 12-30-2012 07:45 PM

Would you make a starter?
 
I'm brewing a porter with the OG of 1.056. The yeast I'm using is a vial of white labs WLP013. Their website says that each vial has 70-140 billion cells. The Palmer book states that ales with an OG of 1.055-1.065 should have 110-170 billion cells in a five gallon batch. The Palmer book also says that "Lower pitching rates produce more aromatics and esters than higher pitching rates." So would you make a starter, or would you just pitch the vial?

duboman 12-30-2012 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by soulfegebrewing
I'm brewing a porter with the OG of 1.056. The yeast I'm using is a vial of white labs WLP013. Their website says that each vial has 70-140 billion cells. The Palmer book states that ales with an OG of 1.055-1.065 should have 110-170 billion cells in a five gallon batch. The Palmer book also says that "Lower pitching rates produce more aromatics and esters than higher pitching rates." So would you make a starter, or would you just pitch the vial?

Yes. Go to Www.yeastcalc.com plug in the numbers and date and you'll see how large a starter you need:)

moorerm04 12-30-2012 11:31 PM

Technically with a 1.050 beer you won't have to haw a starter, but IMO you should make a starter. I make starters for any beer over 1.040, not because it won't ferment without one, but because I always make better beer with proper pitching rates.

Josh_K 12-30-2012 11:40 PM

I would definitely make a starter for the simple reason that it ensures a proper pitching rate. I don't know that there's many people on this forum that would advise you not to make one.

peterj 12-31-2012 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by moorerm04 (Post 4729759)
I make starters for any beer over 1.040, not because it won't ferment without one, but because I always make better beer with proper pitching rates.

+1. Underpitching will stress yeast and cause them to produce off flavors. The goal is to keep the yeast as happy as possible so they will do their job well. Here's another pitching calculator that I always use: http://www.mrmalty.com/calc/calc.html.

stpetebrewer 12-31-2012 12:19 AM

I would make one. I make one anytime I use a liquid yeast. Doing a starter is too easy and well worth it.

Golddiggie 12-31-2012 12:25 AM

Depending on the age, and what yeastcalc gives me for cell count (of yeast being used and batch needs) I'd make a starter. My normal MO is to make a starter for all beers anyway. With a stirplate, it's easy and normally they finish pretty fast (faster than without a stirplate). I then cold crash them so that I can decant and pitch JUST the yeast slurry.

I also use pure O2 to infuse my wort (and musts) before pitching yeast (and sometimes 12-18 hours later, for bigger items).

wiggybrewer 12-31-2012 02:08 AM

If the yeast is one month old or less just pitch without a starter, But then again I make three gallon batches. Doh!

Golddiggie 12-31-2012 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wiggybrewer (Post 4730257)
If the yeast is one month old or less just pitch without a starter, But then again I make three gallon batches. Doh!

Again, use yeastcalc to figure it out by batch size, OG, and yeast production date.

Beer-lord 12-31-2012 05:37 PM

I would make a starter with any liquid yeast but I like to see my beers start fast and furious.


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