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Old 01-08-2013, 07:45 PM   #11
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Also, I contacted Wyeast at the same time (thinking at least one of them would reply) and they just did, with this:

"I recommend adding some bottling yeast. 4021 is an excellent strain for this application. It has a high tolerance to low pH and high alcohol."

And that's from one of Wyeast's microbiologists & brewers, according to the signature. I think I'll trust that girl... lol
You could probably get away with Lalvin EC-1118 as well (another champagne yeast strain). It would cost far less than the pack of Wyeast. I used that early in my brewing life trying to get a bit more out of an old ale. Didn't do anything for the brew, but it carbonated nice and fast (within the normal 3 week span). It's also flavor neutral, so it won't impact the brew.


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I still hold that you probably won't need any extra yeast, but you're not going to hrt anything by adding a neutral strain (save some extra sediment).

I don't know that you need as much as half a pack; the yeast only have to eat a miniscule amount of sugar. But this is your beer, make a choice and go with it.



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I still hold that you probably won't need any extra yeast, but you're not going to hrt anything by adding a neutral strain (save some extra sediment).

I don't know that you need as much as half a pack; the yeast only have to eat a miniscule amount of sugar. But this is your beer, make a choice and go with it.
A single, 5g, pack of EC-1118 rehydrated and poured into the batch a few days before will leave enough in suspension, but a decent amount will also settle out. I didn't get excess sediment that way. Of course, chilling for 1-3 weeks before opening (after giving it time to carbonate) would be advisable.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:14 PM   #14
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I've developed this simple calculation/procedure for reyeasting with dry yeast for 1 million cells / 1 mL of finished beer (scale up pitching rate if desired). I've used Larvin EC-1118 yeast without it changing the final gravity of fully fermented beer. The result is fast carbonation when stored around 70F, professional yeast cake in the bottle and less wasted flat beer trying to figure out when it's carbonated. It doesn't speed-up aging though.

Re-yeasting Procedures:

Yeasting dosing rate: 1 million cells/1 mL of finished beer.

20.0e9 yeast cells/gram of dry yeast.
5 gal = 18,927 mL
1.0e6 = 20.0e9*x/18,927, x = 0.9 grams of dry yeast

Boil 4 oz of Spring Water in 4 qt measuring cup in microwave, cover with plastic wrap and chill to 80F in water bath.
Sprinkle 1.8g (0.9g X 2) dry yeast on water surface and cover with plastic wrap, let sit for 15 min.
(Note: Measure by weighing full package and add gradually and keep weighing)
Stir (swirl) yeast, pitch 50% of prepared yeast into bottling bucket during the transfer.

EDIT: I double the prepared yeast & water to make the measurements a little easier and only pitch half.

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I recently went through this with a high gravity Belgian. I ended up with almost 6 gallons total. After primary fermentation, I racked the usual 5 gallons to a carboy where it sat for 3 months. The rest went into a gallon jug. After a month I bottled the gallon, but after 8 weeks I had absolutely zero carbonation. Not sure that was a result of the alcohol content or very little yeast in suspension, but that prompted me to add a quarter packet of hydrated champagne yeast to the bottling bucket when it came time to tackle what was in the carboy. 3 weeks later I tested a bottle and it was fully carbonated.

If you're unsure, that's the route I'd take...

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Same here. No carb in a Belgian. Rehydrated champagne yeast and used a sanitized medicine dropper to put about 1ml yeast solution in each bottle. Recapped and waited a couple weeks in warmer area (70 F) and voila. Case solved... and drank!!



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