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Old 07-27-2011, 12:20 PM   #21
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If you use lager yeast at lager temps, the resulting beer is a lager, even if you used the recipe from a stout.
Not unless you lager it...
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:23 PM   #22
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Just fighting disinformation.
And this is a good thing. Lagers and lagering are not well understood in general because a lot (the majority?) of brewers never make a lager. Some people believe lager yeast are technically the same as ale strains but just work at different temperatures. So it's refreshing to see someone try to educate others about a very important difference between the two.
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:06 PM   #23
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Back to the original question how can he brew lagers and ales, I saw a guy (on this forum) who built a fermentation camber on top of the freezer for just this purpose of making lagers and ales. If your search to DIY forum you could probably find it and quiz him on the build details.

Or you could build and insulated chamber within the freezer and slightly heat it for ales? kinda backwards though?!?

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The original question has been easily answered--with a temp controller he can ferment anything at any temperature. He just can't ferment a lager and an ale at the same time in the same chamber, and why would he need to? With a swamp cooler he can ferment his ales anytime anywhere so they don't need to be in the freezer anyway.

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Old 07-27-2011, 10:00 PM   #25
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I always thought that if you used a lager yeast at a higher temperature you would technically be making a steam beer.

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Not unless you lager it...
A beer fermented with lager yeast at 50* for 3 weeks and then served without "lagering" (extended cold conditioning close to freezing) is still a lager. Or did you misread my post?
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I always thought that if you used a lager yeast at a higher temperature you would technically be making a steam beer.
You could say that. Thing is steam beer doesn't taste like an ale, IMO. he wants to use lager yeast at lager temps to make an ale flavored beer.

I already posted the solution 3 or 4 times. Use the freezer to make some Ales, then take them out and make some Lagers.

Whether or not the OP chooses to listen is another matter.
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A beer fermented with lager yeast at 50* for 3 weeks and then served without "lagering" (extended cold conditioning close to freezing) is still a lager.
Not according to How to Brew: "Lager comes from the German word "lagern" which means to store. A lager beer is in cold storage while it ages in the conditioning phase. Temperature influences lagers in two ways. During primary fermentation, the cooler temperature (45-55 °F) prevents the formation of fruity esters by the yeast. In addition to producing fewer byproducts during the primary phase, the yeast uses the long conditioning phase to finish off residual sugars and metabolize other compounds that may give rise to off-flavors and aromas."

From New Brewing Lager Beer: "Lagers are defined by the process used to brew them. They are essentially distinguished from ales, the other beer family, by relatively slower fermentation at cool (40 to 55 degrees F [4 to 13 degrees C]) temperatures, followed by a relatively longer period of cold conditioning."

You probably know more than Palmer and Noonan about beer, though.
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