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Old 07-26-2011, 02:15 AM   #11
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Don't overcomplicate it, the OP has not even brewed yet.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:36 AM   #12
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I use one chest freezer to brew ales, lagers, and serve 4 kegs. I do one at a time.

If I were you, I would brew a couple ales, and ferment them in your freezer at ale temps (62-68*). You only really need the temp control for the first week, after that you can remove the ales and brew a couple lagers. Let the ales sit a couple week at room temp, then bottle them. You then have 10 gallons of ale to drink while your lagers lager for a couple months.


This is sort of what I'm looking for, i have a rather large chest freezer (great deal - 14/15 cu feet) and my concern is having to do the temperature changes for each individual beer at different times. (because i wont be making them all at the same time).

I guess what I'm really looking for is a type of rotation i can use in my large chest freezer to incorporate both ales and lagers.

I don't have a keg set up yet, but after i become more acquainted with brewing I think i will want to more to one... i don't hate bottling yet!
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:27 AM   #13
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Well like I said you only need temp control on an ale for 1 week and 2 for a lager. You will have to eventually cool the lagers for an extended period.

You can brew like an IPA, stout and brown ale at 64*f for one week then take them out and put in a couple lagers for a month. If you dont brew frequently you won't have a problem at all just doing one at a time.

The main thing is to make some ales first because lagers take MUCH longer to ferment/condition/lager and will hold up your freezer for a while.

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Old 07-26-2011, 05:57 AM   #14
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I think it depends on what you are aiming for. Ale as a word on it's own doesn't necessarily signify a strong ale character. Some people would refer to esters or fruity flavors and aromas as ale character. But american style ales tend to have much less of these esters than their british counterparts.

So I would think you would be able to simulate some ale styles with lager yeasts, but definitely not all. And you most definitely will be able to make great beer with lager yeast at lager temperatures. There's no rule saying you must brew a marzen or schwarzbier or pilsner if you're using lager yeast. The downside is that I don't know if there is a lot of information out there about what lager yeasts might be ideal for accentuating hop flavor and aroma, the way people are familiar with the interactions of wlp001 or US05 with american style IPA hopping.

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So I would think you would be able to simulate some ale styles with lager yeasts, but definitely not all.
I disagree. Try Lagunitas Zephyr and just try to say it tastes like an ale. It doesn't, because it's NOT. It may have come out of the brewhouse as a IIPA wort, but it's fermented warm with a LAGER yeast.
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Old 07-26-2011, 08:24 AM   #16
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huh? I said you could simulate some ale styles. NOT all. People suggest the opposite all the time with making a lager-like ale with wlp001 or US05. Why can't you go the other way, too, then?

I didn't say it would be exactly the same. It would be an approximation. If he really wanted an ale, after all, he'd just ferment with the appropriate ale yeast at the appropriate ale temps.

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Old 07-27-2011, 04:15 AM   #17
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huh? I said you could simulate some ale styles. NOT all. People suggest the opposite all the time with making a lager-like ale with wlp001 or US05. Why can't you go the other way, too, then?
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The thing is lager yeast is lager yeast. To me even Anchor Steam beer obviously smells and tastes like a lager with lots of esters.

On the other hand fermenting US05 at 60 will make a clean beer that might pass for a lager.
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There are hybrid strains. The closest brewery to me uses some Kolsch yeast for everything even their 'lager' and it passes.

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You could go low tech with your ale fermentations. Use a large plastic tub/cooler fill with water and put the fermentor inside, rotate frozen water bottles to regulate temps down to 68ish, wrap tub with a blanket to keep the cold in longer. Doing this you could then use the one freezer you have as your serving/lagering chamber. I find Ales stay in the 68's with several water bottles rotated daily or so...

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Or, you could set your freezer for lager temps, then put your ale carboy on a heating pad set up on a milk crate to get the temp up to ale ferm temp. Cover it all with a blanket to localize the heat. Keep the ambient freezer temp set to lager at 55*. Use the hot pad to raise the temp to 68* only at the ale carboy. Going from ambient 55* for a lager to 67* for an ale using a hot pad shouldn't be much of a stretch.

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