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Old 01-11-2011, 10:07 PM   #1
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I have a question about substituting lager yeast with ale yeast in a helles bock. I'm wanting to brew the AHS Helles Bock (http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?products_id=270) which originally calls for White Labs German Lager Yeast (WLP830). I don't have a dedicated beer fridge so I want to brew this beer with an ale yeast (Possibly White Labs German Ale/Kolsch Ale WLP029).

So heres my question... What significant style/taste/appearance changes will I notice with this switch? Would I need to do anything different (double pitching yeast, etc.) or could I just brew the same and go with the ale yeast.

Specific to this brew, I am currently brewing mini-mash w/ liquid extract.

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Old 01-11-2011, 10:31 PM   #2
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WLP029 is a great ale yeast that can give pseudo-lager results. If you can maintain the fermentation temp at 60 degrees or so, it'll be pretty clean. At higher temps, you might notice a little fruitiness in the finished product, but nothing near what other strains would produce.

The recipe says the OG is 1.071, so I would definitely make a starter or double pitch. Pitching a large number of healthy, eager yeast will minimize fruitiness and give you a cleaner result.



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I tried to ferment my maibock with Wyeast German Ale @57F and the result was disappointing - the alcohol notes was dominant in the nose and beer was very harsh on palate. Then i did the same beer but fermented it with Wyeast California Lager (same temperature), beer was much more like original helles bock, yet still missing the malty character.

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If you're not able to get down to the 60 degrees fermentation temp that is recommended on the Kolsch yeast, I suggest using Wyeast 1056 since it produces a pretty clean tasting beer.

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If you're not able to get down to the 60 degrees fermentation temp that is recommended on the Kolsch yeast, I suggest using Wyeast 1056 since it produces a pretty clean tasting beer.
So you feel like that Wyeast would perform better at winter room temp (68-72deg) than the kolsch yeast?
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Yes. If you can't get the Wyeast, I believe White Labs WLP001 is the same thing. (Sorry. Don't have much experience with White Labs since my LHBS doesn't sell it.)



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