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Old 10-12-2012, 06:26 PM   #1
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Default Ok to pitch a starter made w/ stirplate?

In the "Brewing Classic Styles" book they state it might not be good to directly add a starter that was "continuously aerated" (I'm assuming they mean w/ a stirplate) since this could alter the flavor of the finished beer, and instead should be put in the fridge so only the slurry is pitched. Would you agree with this?

The book also says to only pitch the slurry if the starter is too big for the size batch you are doing, but it doesn't clarify on what this ratio would be. Any thoughts on this as well?

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I ALWAYS cold crash my starters for at least 12-24 hours before decanting the spent wort and pitching just a slurry. It has nothing to do with using my stirplate, but everything to do with not F'ing up the flavors from the grains, and hops, used to make the brew. I use light/extra light DME in the starter, and don't want to dump that into my brew. I leave just enough spent starter in the flask to get the yeast mixed into a thick slurry.

I also use yeastcalc.com to get the starter size needed to produce the yeast cell count needed for my batches.

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I agree with Golddiggie. I use a stirplate now, but even when I didn't I always crashed and decanted. I decided after tasting the starter wort that it was nothing I wanted in my nice fresh beer.

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How long will the starter keep in the fridge for?

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How long will the starter keep in the fridge for?
I agree with all the above as well and IMO a week in the fridge is about all ill go without getting it going again with a little fresh wort
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How long will the starter keep in the fridge for?
I'm typically pitching the slurry after chilling <24 hours. But that's mostly due to timing it so that the starter is going in to cold crash the day/evening before I'll be brewing. Once you've made a few starters, with the same yeast strains, you'll learn how long they take. Just be aware that older yeast can take longer to get going. If you're going to use older yeast, better to do a two, or three, step starter. Depending on the age of the yeast, you might need twice as long, as normal, for the first step.
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In JZ and Chris White's yeast book, he recommends decanting for large starters subjected to continuous aeration, and sets the cutoff at 5% of the beer volume.

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Light beer I will crash, if I have an active starter under 1 liter I do not have a problem tossing that into a stout or porter.
I also heard Chris white say a 1 liter could not be detected if tossed in.

Today I am brewing an American stout, have some rinsed yeast from 2 weeks ago in fridge. Made a 500Ml starter to wake them up
and going to pitch it straight in.

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Light beer I will crash, if I have an active starter under 1 liter I do not have a problem tossing that into a stout or porter.
I also heard Chris white say a 1 liter could not be detected if tossed in.
I wonder how he knows what I can detect?
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I wonder how he knows what I can detect?
He can't, I'm sure there are folks that are more sensitive to some flavors than others, and that likely includes whatever off flavors a yeast starter has in it. Obviously what he meant was that most everyone won't be able to detect a full 1 liter starter in a 19 liter batch of beer.
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