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brewdude25 05-18-2011 12:15 AM

Kolsch Without Lagering?
 
I recently got the the ingrediants to make a Kolsch ale, including White Labs liquid Kolsch yeast. I just realized that you are supposed to lager this beer after a fairly cold fermentation.

I think that the coldest that I can ferment this would be about 64 degrees. And I cannot lager it.

What would be the repercussions of not cold crashing or lagering this batch after the fermentation?

Thanks.

TrainSafe 05-18-2011 12:53 AM

64 is about right for this yeast. I've got one fermenting right now at 62. Let it set for a couple weeks in the primary.

Why can't you cold crash?

Wakadaka 05-18-2011 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TrainSafe (Post 2931965)
64 is about right for this yeast. I've got one fermenting right now at 62. Let it set for a couple weeks in the primary.

Why can't you cold crash?

no spare fridge would be my guess.

I am in the same position, and i have thought about making a kolsch by just a long relatively cool primary, then bottle, give them 3-5 weeks to carb, and then just put all the bottles in the fridge for ~6 weeks. I don't know how well it would work, or if it would do much to get the same kolsch flavor, but I have found that the longer I chill my ales for the "crisper" they taste, and they seem to get some lagerlike characteristics.

$.02

brewdude25 05-18-2011 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wakadaka (Post 2931973)
no spare fridge would be my guess.

Exactly. And good question. Anyone know?

zgoda 05-18-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brewdude25 (Post 2931861)
What would be the repercussions of not cold crashing or lagering this batch after the fermentation?

The beer will take longer time to clear, nothing more. Should be no difference in taste, as originally Kolsch is lagered for 10-14 days only.

With Wyeast Kolsch yeast it takes up to 6 weeks in low 60's, with Zymoferm slightly less but not much. I guess with WLP it will be the same.

pjj2ba 05-18-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zgoda (Post 2932741)
The beer will take longer time to clear, nothing more.

Agreed, it just takes longer. I often don't have extra space so my kegs will just sit in the basement. They turn out just fine

brewdude25 05-18-2011 04:36 PM

Oh sweet, Thanks. Should I just let it sit in primary? Or should I eventaully transfer it to secondary?

jpoder 05-18-2011 05:54 PM

I brewed a kolsch earlier this year without the ability to lager...I bottled, and bottle conditioned (after primary for ~6 weeks @60)...after bottles carbed I put a bunch in the fridge and after a month tastes great! After finishing the initial batch I put in the fridge I put more in...tried one about a week into "lagering" and it still tasted bad (well...not as good as the ones in the fridge for a month. decided to leave this next bunch of bottles for a few more weeks before trying again.

so I guess the moral to the story is that YES...you can make a Kolsch without lagering, but plan to leave bottles in the fridge for a LONG time before consuming (essentially bottle lagering).

Pivovar_Koucky 05-18-2011 06:15 PM

I hate White Labs Kolsch yeast. It does not clear at room temperature in any sort of reasonable time frame (~2 months in my experience). I made a blonde ale with US-05 that I put on gas ~2 weeks after pitching that was as clear as any beer I've made. For my money a blonde ale using pils malt and noble hops is plenty close to kolsch for my taste buds.

jpoder 05-18-2011 06:49 PM

I had a chill haze, but not a yeast haze. 4 weeks in the fridge at 34 degrees and the chill-haze is gone/dropped out! My beer was crystal-clear in the bottle at room temperature after bottle conditioning.


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