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Old 08-21-2012, 11:13 PM   #21
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You may be right, but where did you get this info? (Keep in mind, I'm not saying one should ferment at 70.)
For historical beer, here is a good place to start. http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/

For the modern stuff, I've been reading the JIB (Institute of Brewing, Journal) since I took brewing classes while living in Ireland.

I'm not saying fermenting English yeasts warm, or at 70F, won't make good beer. It's just not as normal of a practice as we might think.
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Old 08-21-2012, 11:23 PM   #22
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Yes, I can't stand 04 if fermened in the high 60s.
I can't stand S04 at any temp in any beer! I pick up a weirdly bready character that I just don't like.
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:45 AM   #23
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I can't stand S04 at any temp in any beer! I pick up a weirdly bready character that I just don't like.
Thank you, thank you. That is all. At least someone agrees with me.
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:51 AM   #24
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Well damn it! I've got ten gallons fermenting with it right now. It better be good! Maybe someone else can chime in about how crappy it's going to be lol.

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Old 08-22-2012, 04:56 AM   #25
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Well damn it! I've got ten gallons fermenting with it right now. It better be good! Maybe someone else can chime in about how crappy it's going to be lol.
I didn't know what "estery" meant until I did KingBrianI's Common Room ESB with S-04 at around 65F ambient (so probably 70F actual). Not entirely unpleasant, but wow, the yeast just destroyed any other flavors in that beer.

Actually, only other time I used it was for a 2-Row/Centennial SMaSH that came out a little bready to my surprise. Probably that yeast. I liked it!

Temperature control is everything. I have a freezer rigged up to a temperature controller now and I'm doing a tour of the yeasts I had previously written off, starting with Notty and S-04 (next up)!
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Well damn it! I've got ten gallons fermenting with it right now. It better be good! Maybe someone else can chime in about how crappy it's going to be lol.
I've made some good beers with S-04. It can definitely get fruity if you don't control the temps, though. I've not noticed this bready character people mentioned, but I haven't used S-04 in quite a while.
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Old 08-22-2012, 01:02 PM   #27
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Well damn it! I've got ten gallons fermenting with it right now. It better be good! Maybe someone else can chime in about how crappy it's going to be lol.
A lot of people seem to like it, I wouldn't be too worried if you kept temps under control!
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Well damn it! I've got ten gallons fermenting with it right now. It better be good! Maybe someone else can chime in about how crappy it's going to be lol.
Well, friend... I had a day of 74 degree s-04! Then could only get it down to 69! Mines about 7 gallons. So, We are in the same boat.

Trust me, I'll still be drinking mine.
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Well, friend... I had a day of 74 degree s-04! Then could only get it down to 69! Mines about 7 gallons. So, We are in the same boat.

Trust me, I'll still be drinking mine.
Ha ha, I'm sure it will be good, and like you I'll be drinking it either way!

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Trust me, I'll still be drinking mine.
And I can talk all the s--- I want, but I drank every last one of mine
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