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Old 01-15-2012, 03:56 PM   #11
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When I first started brewing Injust smacked the pack and pitched it... Did it make beer? Of course it did. Was it good beer? Yes it was pretty decent. Was it the best beer?

After I started making starters with the smack packs my brews turned out much better.

Do you need a starter? Yes if you want good beer. Look up the Mr. Malty calculator and make a starter of the recommended size and your brews will improve.

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Old 01-15-2012, 07:39 PM   #12
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When I first started brewing Injust smacked the pack and pitched it... Did it make beer? Of course it did. Was it good beer? Yes it was pretty decent. Was it the best beer?

After I started making starters with the smack packs my brews turned out much better.

Do you need a starter? Yes if you want good beer. Look up the Mr. Malty calculator and make a starter of the recommended size and your brews will improve.
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Starter it is. Thanks everyone!

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Starter it is. Thanks everyone!
Good choice! Plus it's good practice for your sanitization process, it's fun, AND you can make sure your yeast are alive and kicking before pitching. Wins all around.
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Lets not forget it also highly depends on the viability of the yeast.

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Nope. It's good to go. A starter helps, but is unnecessary.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong...

The nutrients in the smack pack is not the same thing as making a starter. It's just enough nutrients to wake the yeast up, it's not enough to cause the yeast to reproduce to the size we need for most beers. That's why it's important to know how much your beer needs and make a starter to that amount.

It's really a good idea to make starters when using ANY liguid yeast for all beers above 1.020 OG...

The biggest reason I suggest folks make a starter is if you make one you'll have peace of mind. It's especially important if you have questionable situation happenning with your yeast, like not being sure the yeast arrived healthy.

And you won't be starting an "is my yeast dead" thread in a couple of days.

Making a starter first insures that your yeast is still alive and viable before you dump it in your beer. You will be less likely to start one of those "is my yeast dead?" threads that are on here every day.

You will also ensure that you have enough yeast usually the tubes and smack packs are a lot less yeast that you really should use for healthy fermentation.

Making a starter also usually means your beer will take off sooner, because the first thing that the little buggers do in the presence of wort (whether in a flask or in a fermenter) is have an orgy to reproduce enough cells to do the job...So it won't take such a long time in the fermenter since they started doing it in the flask.

So making a starter proves your yeast is still healthy, allows you to grow enough yeast to do the job, cuts down on lag time, and ensures that you will not get off flavors or stuck ferementations from stressed out yeast.
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A smack pack isn't a starter, it's nothing like a starter and doesn't do the job of a starter AT ALL.

Make a starter, people. It's easy and kinda fun and will give you better beer. This "smack pack is sorta kinda like a starter" idea is bad info, plain and simple.

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Overkill Revvy back in action.

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Wrong, Wrong, Wrong...

The nutrients in the smack pack is not the same thing as making a starter. It's just enough nutrients to wake the yeast up, it's not enough to cause the yeast to reproduce to the size we need for most beers. That's why it's important to know how much your beer needs and make a starter to that amount.

It's really a good idea to make starters when using ANY liguid yeast for all beers above 1.020 OG...

The biggest reason I suggest folks make a starter is if you make one you'll have peace of mind. It's especially important if you have questionable situation happenning with your yeast, like not being sure the yeast arrived healthy.

And you won't be starting an "is my yeast dead" thread in a couple of days.

Making a starter first insures that your yeast is still alive and viable before you dump it in your beer. You will be less likely to start one of those "is my yeast dead?" threads that are on here every day.

You will also ensure that you have enough yeast usually the tubes and smack packs are a lot less yeast that you really should use for healthy fermentation.

Making a starter also usually means your beer will take off sooner, because the first thing that the little buggers do in the presence of wort (whether in a flask or in a fermenter) is have an orgy to reproduce enough cells to do the job...So it won't take such a long time in the fermenter since they started doing it in the flask.

So making a starter proves your yeast is still healthy, allows you to grow enough yeast to do the job, cuts down on lag time, and ensures that you will not get off flavors or stuck ferementations from stressed out yeast.
Sorry, Revvy, but I resent your dismissal of my answer. Nothing in your response refutes my statement: A starter is a good idea, but it is not NECESSARY.

I have made many very good beers pitching only a Wyeast smack pack, including the smaller propagator sizes. At no time did I say the Wyeast was a starter. At no time did I say a starter was a bad idea.

I merely said it was not necessary.
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I'd say OP's question was answered awhile ago.



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