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View Poll Results: You a certified beer judge?
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Old 12-29-2006, 04:18 PM   #11
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I don't know any personally but would assume them to be beer snobs. Or at least have that tendency in them. Critical buggers they are just like wine snobs .

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Old 12-29-2006, 06:02 PM   #12
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desertbrew hit is squarely. Too many of the judges can judge against a style sheet, but have no idea what makes a beer good. Take away their style guide & they are clueless. On the other hand, they are a perfect match for people obsessed with winning ribbons.

The guides put out by the Brewers Association and BJCP are radically different in their focus.

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Old 12-29-2006, 09:46 PM   #13
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I don't know any personally but would assume them to be beer snobs. Or at least have that tendency in them. Critical buggers they are just like wine snobs .
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Nope and the more certified judges I meet, the less I respect the concept
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I agree completely. I can't begin to describe how much I loathe the idea of beer judging and competitions. I mean, who died and made (insert judges name here) the authority? I brew for me and my friends. If I don't like how a particular brew turned out, I don't brew it again. If my friends don't, I let them try something else or give them BMC. Competitions are completely subjective and nothing but popularity contests and you can keep them.
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Old 12-31-2006, 06:28 PM   #14
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who died and made (insert judges name here) the authority?
The same people who painstakingly separates 3 whole 12-ounce bottles from their personal stash, dreamed of having a third arm while trying to properly fill bottles with a bottle filler from hell, and all those that shell out $3-$5 per bottle for each category. Who better to deserve a fellow brewer that has taken the time to study the guide, earn points over a period of months or even years, and to pass a 4-hour test (3 hours written) to judge that beer?

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Old 12-31-2006, 08:15 PM   #15
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BA style guide

"Each style description is purposefully written independently of any reference to another beer style. Furthermore, as much as it is possible, beer character is not described in terms of ingredients or process. These guidelines attempt to emphasize final evaluation of the product and try not to judge or regulate the formulation or manner in which it was brewed, except in special circumstances that clearly define a style."
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Old 01-03-2007, 07:29 AM   #16
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I'm not that good with riddles. Could you possibly simplify that and say it more plainly?
It was asked by ablrbrau:
who died and made (insert judges name here) the authority?

My reply was simply:
Anyone that has sent their beers to a competition.
People, who have taken the time to study, earn points, and take the BJCP exam shouldn't be besmirched especially by people who only assume that they’d be a snob. Besides, around here, how would anyone notice?


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Rightie-o. Nobody is forcing anyone to enter comps. One could say the same bloody thing about Miss USA judges. "Who died and made them the authority on beauty!?" Nobody did, but in the realm of this particular voluntary competition which nobody is forced against their will to enter into, they have been deemed the authority by those who voluntarily formed and/or manage that particular competition system.

Such animus...but nobody is forcing anyone to enter. Don't like how it's run? Don't like the guidelines? Don't like that it's based on a style cheat-sheet? Then either start your own competition and run it the way you want to, or get over it.

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I just attended my first BJCP class last night and it was pretty fun. If nothing else, I will gain an in depth understanding of each of the styles of beer and hopefully learn how to make better beer myself.

Why all the hate on BJCP?

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They get a lot of bad press because some of them are not very articulate as to exactly WHY they like or dislike a beer....that, just like their palate, is a skill that needs to be refined. Plus people take their homebrew personally, and can't take criticism.

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Old 01-25-2008, 05:23 PM   #20
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if the competition is being held at my house, then you bet your ass I am

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