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Old 04-20-2011, 03:44 AM   #21
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Someone out there will tell you it is okay to:

-use sugar for starters
-bottle in two liter clear bottles
-use bleach instead of buying star san


there is a difference between possible and recommended.

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Old 04-20-2011, 12:27 PM   #22
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I gotta say... I've read about the concept of group-think developing on forums and I've seen it on exercise-related forums, but MAN is it strong in this place.

Guy asks if it is okay to do something less than recommended
Antoher guy says he's done it a bunch of times without failure but is a newb
Guy says, okay, cool I'll try that due to limited resources
Everyone $#!ts a brick.

You people have got to take things less personally and stop confusing "I've done it and it works" with "this is how you ought to do it".

What gets me is that it is later suggested that he just pitch dry instead of mixing up a little bit of sugar water to get things started and nobody has a problem with that... crazy.

Evaluate your level of group-think, people. There is more than black and white in this world. One is not stupid for doing slightly less than the best possible option in the world.

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Old 04-20-2011, 12:51 PM   #23
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Someone out there will tell you it is okay to:

-use sugar for starters
-bottle in two liter clear bottles
-use bleach instead of buying star san


there is a difference between possible and recommended.
Oh yeah, also had to make note that Coopers recommends sanitizing with bleach and they've been responsible for more homebrew and more professional brew than this entire forum combined.

Again... not saying it is the best, just saying that you don't need to ostrisize people for doing it.
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Old 04-20-2011, 03:17 PM   #24
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I gotta say... I've read about the concept of group-think developing on forums and I've seen it on exercise-related forums, but MAN is it strong in this place.

Guy asks if it is okay to do something less than recommended
Antoher guy says he's done it a bunch of times without failure but is a newb
Guy says, okay, cool I'll try that due to limited resources
Everyone $#!ts a brick.

You people have got to take things less personally and stop confusing "I've done it and it works" with "this is how you ought to do it".

What gets me is that it is later suggested that he just pitch dry instead of mixing up a little bit of sugar water to get things started and nobody has a problem with that... crazy.

Evaluate your level of group-think, people. There is more than black and white in this world. One is not stupid for doing slightly less than the best possible option in the world.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:16 PM   #25
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I gotta say... I've read about the concept of group-think developing on forums and I've seen it on exercise-related forums, but MAN is it strong in this place.

Guy asks if it is okay to do something less than recommended
Antoher guy says he's done it a bunch of times without failure but is a newb
Guy says, okay, cool I'll try that due to limited resources
Everyone $#!ts a brick.

You people have got to take things less personally and stop confusing "I've done it and it works" with "this is how you ought to do it".

What gets me is that it is later suggested that he just pitch dry instead of mixing up a little bit of sugar water to get things started and nobody has a problem with that... crazy.

Evaluate your level of group-think, people. There is more than black and white in this world. One is not stupid for doing slightly less than the best possible option in the world.
::facepalm::

That being said the newb was offering bad advice. Just because he "does it all the time" doesn't mean it's actually working properly. I wouldn't be surprised if he is making under-attenuated beer.

Aside from that it's hard not to be frustrated when someone poses a question, is given solid advice from seasoned brewers, and then completely ignores it because one other person on the forum decided to agree with him and give him the answer for which he was hoping.

And yes. One is stupid. Making starters with table sugar is stupid. There are plenty of gray areas is brewing, but science isn't one of them. It is a fact that if you make a starter with sugar you are making lazy yeast. And when making starters yeast health is always more important than quantity. So pitching strait from the vial instead of from a half assed starter is definitely the more advised option.
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Old 04-20-2011, 10:09 PM   #26
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Ok everybody I get it I'm sorry I can be a little lazy and stubborn but there's no need to drag on about it. I get it it's not good to make starters with table sugar.

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