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Old 06-07-2014, 03:08 PM   #1
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IIPA

Batch size: 5 gallons
Boil time: 60 mins
Est. OG : 1.084
IBU : 100.4
Color : 5.1 SRM
Est ABV : 8.5%
Total hops : 9 oz

Grain Bill:
13 lbs pale 2-row 82.5%
12 oz Vienna Malt 3.5 SRM 4.8%
12 oz Cara-pils 2.0 SRM 4.8%
4 oz flaked Oats, lightly toasted 1.6%

Mash:
151F for 60 minutes

Miscellaneous:
12 oz local orange blossom honey
4 oz sucrose table sugar
.25 tsp irish moss

Hop Schedule:
.5 oz Warrior FWH
.5 oz summit 60 min
.5 oz warrior 60 min
.5 oz cascade 20 mins
1 oz citra 5 mins
.5 oz cascade 5 mins
.5 oz simcoe 5 mins
.5 oz summit 5 mins
1 oz amarillo steep 170F 30 min
1 oz citra steep 170F 30 min
.5 oz Simcoe steep 170F 30 min

Dry Hop :
1 oz citra 5 days
1 oz simcoe 5 days

Yeast :
WLP007 Dry English Ale

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Old 06-07-2014, 03:12 PM   #2
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I don't have much experience with IIpa or some of those hops, but I don't see anything there that would make me say Yuck!

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Old 06-07-2014, 03:17 PM   #3
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I'd combine the FWH & 2 60 min additions into 1 hop, 1 60 min addition to achieve the desired bitterness. I might up the .5 oz. Simcoe to 1 oz. each. Looks good though.

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Old 06-07-2014, 03:56 PM   #4
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I'd combine the FWH & 2 60 min additions into 1 hop, 1 60 min addition to achieve the desired bitterness. I might up the .5 oz. Simcoe to 1 oz. each. Looks good though.
FWH and 60min additions impart VERY different flavor/bitterness.

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Id move the .5oz of warrior from you 60min addition to your FWH to make it 1oz @FWH this will provide more of a smooth bitterness

Also I would up the Vienna to around 8-10% drop the carapils and replace with more wheat 6-8%

007 does not have the best attenuation. I would mash at 148 to dry it out.

That simcoe citra Amarillo steep is going to be delicious, just brewed a beer with Amarillo simcoe and Columbus and it came out fantastic.
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Old 06-07-2014, 06:31 PM   #5
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FWH and 60min additions impart VERY different flavor/bitterness.

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Id move the .5oz of warrior from you 60min addition to your FWH to make it 1oz @FWH this will provide more of a smooth bitterness

Also I would up the Vienna to around 8-10% drop the carapils and replace with more wheat 6-8%

007 does not have the best attenuation. I would mash at 148 to dry it out.

That simcoe citra Amarillo steep is going to be delicious, just brewed a beer with Amarillo simcoe and Columbus and it came out fantastic.
I know. I was stating what I would do with the recipe.
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Old 06-07-2014, 07:51 PM   #6
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I wouldn't use warrior as a FWH, I'd use one of your low alpha's like an oz of Amarillo as a FWH, then move your warrior to the 60min addition.

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I wouldn't use warrior as a FWH, I'd use one of your low alpha's like an oz of Amarillo as a FWH, then move your warrior to the 60min addition.
I'd think High alpha so the bitterness mellows out, no? What do you think?
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I think that if you want mellow bitterness that a low alpha will provide that as well as the balance of flavor and aroma that come from FWH. The bittering hops do not provide the flavor and aroma, therefore do not balance out the bitterness. You do extract more bitterness from them but the balance is not there, you must still have a hop capable of providing bitterness and flavor, which is why I would choose a low alpha as my choice for a FWH.

IOW throwing a hop like warrior in as FWH does not make that hop produce any more flavor or aroma that it would normally be capable of.

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To add, the reason that FWH provides the balanced and well-rounded bitterness is because the oils are extracted at a lower temp and steeped allowing them to become oxidized during that time. This changes the way that the oils react to the high heat of the boil and allows them to retain their flavor and aroma more than they otherwise would. With a high alpha hop that is used for bittering only they possess very little qualities that provide flavor and aroma, therefore are not a good choice for FWH.

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Agree with FWH needs only aroma move all 5minadditions to "steeping" hopstand is the correct term I believe. But with FWH you bittering addition should be small and no flavor additions needed. I FWH, bitter with half oz anything, hopstand and dry hop. Session IPA is my favorite style, so I keep alcohol under 5.5abv, this helps showcase the hops


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