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Old 09-05-2006, 10:15 PM   #21
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Male and female plants are easily distinguished during flowering, but no other morphological differences identify the sex of a plant. Flowers are wind pollinated and the female inflorescence develops into a "strobile," commonly called a "cone."

http://www.ars-grin.gov/cor/humulus/huminfo.html

http://www.ars-grin.gov/cor/cool/hops.html for a picture of "Male Inflorescence".

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Old 09-06-2006, 04:12 AM   #22
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I've been thinking about a reduced size batch... possibly with ingredients I can wrangle at liquor store that doubles as my small LHBS. Any ideas for a low cost fermentation vessel? 2-3 gallons?

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off topic: yes, you can ferment corn. that is where the majority of the ethanol for our blended fuels come from.

also, a drink made entirely from fermented corn is chicha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha

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F' it Live on the wild side and go for it. Worse comes to worse they taste like me arse and then you'll know better next time. As for the AA's ask around at your LHBS and maybe they can give you the name of a place you can get teh AA's check out at. Hell they may even be able to give you some kind of idea on the type of hops they are.

Hmm. . .I bet I could figure out the AA content by crushing this stuff up and solublizing it in an acetone bath, and then running it through a high pressure liquid chromatography machine. (my previous life as a chemist is coming out). You'd get several spikes on the graph. . . .as long as you knew where to expect the AA's to show up. . .I think you could figure it out. All you'd need is several cones.

I'd need to do some research on this. I do have access to HPLC as well as NMR.
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Levers, what part of Iowa are you in? I just had my father in law bring me some today from southern Iowa and I don't know if they're ready to harvest yet.

I found this link about harvesting:

http://www.realbeer.com/library/auth...-a/hgrown3.php

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Hmm. . .I bet I could figure out the AA content by crushing this stuff up and solublizing it in an acetone bath, and then running it through a high pressure liquid chromatography machine. (my previous life as a chemist is coming out). You'd get several spikes on the graph. . . .as long as you knew where to expect the AA's to show up. . .I think you could figure it out. All you'd need is several cones.

I'd need to do some research on this. I do have access to HPLC as well as NMR.
Yeah, I go to school in the discipline of/work in a environmental engineering & science laboratory, so I have access to several different HPLC's. However, I'm guessing that you need the right kind of column for alpha acids as opposed to the columns for chlorinated solvents that are installed on the equipment that is in the lab I work in. Plus your mobile phase for analysis has to be compatible with your column, ect ect. Finally, you have to justify to the lab director that you want to do HPLC analysis on some wild hops for personal use as opposed to research which brings in funding... Although, my advisor used to brew beer with her husband before they had kids... and she does say that some of the best research sometimes comes from those things that you try on an off chance and that students are often too hesitant to try those far out possibilities. Lol...Hops for cleaning up the environment... umm...yeah!

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Levers, what part of Iowa are you in? I just had my father in law bring me some today from southern Iowa and I don't know if they're ready to harvest yet.
I live in Iowa City and near there is where I got the wild hops. I agree, they may have been borderline, BUT... I was reading (after I had harvested these) that you're supposed to harvest right when a very few hops have started to turn brown on the tips of the cones, and that is where these were at so I'm going to say that I was right around the correct timing but maybe just a smidge early. They were papery to a good extent and definately had yellow lupulin glands in them.

From what I picked, which was 10 oz, I got a yield of 1.8 oz dried. Seems like a huge difference, which perhaps points to their immaturity... I don't know.
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Yeah, I go to school in the discipline of/work in a environmental engineering & science laboratory, so I have access to several different HPLC's. However, I'm guessing that you need the right kind of column for alpha acids as opposed to the columns for chlorinated solvents that are installed on the equipment that is in the lab I work in. Plus your mobile phase for analysis has to be compatible with your column, ect ect. Finally, you have to justify to the lab director that you want to do HPLC analysis on some wild hops for personal use as opposed to research which brings in funding... Although, my advisor used to brew beer with her husband before they had kids... and she does say that some of the best research sometimes comes from those things that you try on an off chance and that students are often too hesitant to try those far out possibilities. Lol...Hops for cleaning up the environment... umm...yeah!
Its been a LONNNNNG time since I've done any kind of liquid phase chromatography. However, I have access to such machines in a research lab at my old college, and my former director (whom I'm good friends with) seems interested in the brewing thing. . .she's even offered to start a chemistry department sponsored minimester on the chemistry of brewing, and has asked me to be a guest lecturer. I may have found my calling. . . .
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also, a drink made entirely from fermented corn is chicha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha
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The male ones are bitter. The female ones are bitchy.

Hahahahahah...
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Talking about luck! Congrats on the find. Wet hop brewing works, but it gives the brew a "green" flavor, like the taste of the brew from the tiny little Siletz Brewing Co. in Siletz, OR.
Some people like it, others don't. I like some of it just fine.

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