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Old 01-10-2014, 08:51 PM   #191
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I bottle and don't want to keg. I've thought about it, but then I always wonder something:

Let's say I took the time and money to build myself a respectable keezer, furnished it with kegs, CO2 tank, parts, hoses, etc. Then over time, there's an ongoing cost for electricity, CO2 refills and small repairs like O-rings and such. Also, there's time spent maintaining the system - checking pressure, troubleshooting and repairing small problems, cleaning - 2 minutes here, 10 minutes there - it adds up.

If I just continued bottling, it would remain low cost but the whole bottling process does eat up lots of time. Maybe once in a while some will explode and I'll lose beer, but I've been pretty good at it overall. But I do need those caps...

What I want to know is: Wouldn't the money and time investment from the kegging scenario equal the low cost/extra time investment in the bottling scenario?

I know transferring beer from a fermenter to a keg is crazy simple, but I think the bottling vs. kegging argument is just six of one, half a dozen of the other.

They've got to balance each other out. Someone needs to make a graph. This is the internet, guys. Let's get down to brass tacks.

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I bottle and don't want to keg. I've thought about it, but then I always wonder something:

Let's say I took the time and money to build myself a respectable keezer, furnished it with kegs, CO2 tank, parts, hoses, etc. Then over time, there's an ongoing cost for electricity, CO2 refills and small repairs like O-rings and such. Also, there's time spent maintaining the system - checking pressure, troubleshooting and repairing small problems, cleaning - 2 minutes here, 10 minutes there - it adds up.

If I just continued bottling, it would remain low cost but the whole bottling process does eat up lots of time. Maybe once in a while some will explode and I'll lose beer, but I've been pretty good at it overall. But I do need those caps...

What I want to know is: Wouldn't the money and time investment from the kegging scenario equal the low cost/extra time investment in the bottling scenario?

I know transferring beer from a fermenter to a keg is crazy simple, but I think the bottling vs. kegging argument is just six of one, half a dozen of the other.

They've got to balance each other out. Someone needs to make a graph. This is the internet, guys. Let's get down to brass tacks.
I'm done with this thread after this (yeah yeah I said that 100 posts ago I know)

Checking pressure? Yeah that takes all of a glance at the gauge... 2 seconds and a fart later and your done. If I want I can pour an ounce sample (hmmm I think I mentioned that earlier only to hear "ive never had someone ask me for just an ounce" to check carbonation. What process and how long does it take when that 15% ris you brewed just doesn't wanna carbonate? I just up the pressure on the regulator.. have fun opening all your bottles to add more yeast ...when my carbonation is right I can dispense my perfectly Carbed beer into bottles so there goes your whole "I like to bottle because it becomes my me time and that's why I don't keg".

Blown o rings? Yeah I'm not buying that... only problems I've ever had has been with used kegs where the opening is jacked up and it won't seal... at which point guess what!? You got yourself a corny keg fermenter. If the orings go bad omg watch out hope your wealthy cause it's about to get expensive LOL.. I might splurge and get the oring kit including replacement poppets for a whopping 10 dollars. Bottle caps cost money too don't they? I'll bet my orings last longer then 10 dollars worth of bottle caps. Straight up kegging vs straight up bottling ...kegging takes way less time and I can still bottle my beer from the keg and store just like you guys that carb with priming sugar.

To wrap it all up and to yet again sound like a parrot the only real disadvantages to kegging are startup money and space... I save time and get sediment free and portable (don't you hate it when you move your bottle conditioned beers to your friends house and you pour one out and its cloudy and yeasty) beer that will last just as long in the bottle if not longer. Is bottling cheaper? Yes. Equal results from bottle priming vs kegging?.... I personally don't think so. Is a certain level of oxidation and or yeastiness appropriate to certain styles of beer?.. yeah I suppose but I can dispense from my keg under a blanket of co2 and prime with sugar and probably replicate that.

With all that being said I'm done with this thread. I know I won't change any of the currently posting naysayers minds but hopefully I can change a future New brewers mind. That's what my brew buddy did for me and I'm sooo glad I skipped it and went straight to kegging.
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Old 01-10-2014, 10:28 PM   #193
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Wow. I can't believe some of the things people find to argue about.
Most of the time I'm arguing about something, on here at least, it's more about principle than taking any real offense. I'm going to keep doing what works for me or what my situation allows me regardless of what anyone else says. Plus, I'm a hardcore pedant so it's interesting (fun, even) to see people's reaction when the tiniest detail is disputed. F***, I have way too much time on my hands. Oh well, I'm going to have a beer and gracefully exit this thread.
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OK. I have found a GOOD metaphor.

Online Bill pay. Invariably people tell me "OH I'm old fashioned!" or "I like writing checks".

I have NEVER heard anyone who found that they could pay 10 bills in 40 seconds online, say "Well, this is nice, but I'd rather write checks".

Security aside, (although with CHASE, paying bills online is 100% safer than checks) no one is going to get your financial info by kegging, this is pure convenience and time comparable.

My point?

You may thought you were fine living in the stone age, but that wheel thing you said "meh" about? No one can live without it in the year 2013.

*Jesus you all are annoying, yes you could live in an effing monastary or something but DO YOU????*

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OK. I have found a GOOD metaphor...
No, you really didn't, and the monastery reference was even further off point. No one joins a religious order and takes up that lifestyle because it's the "logical" thing or because it's easy.

No one joins the Marine Corps thinking "This should be easier than spending four years hanging around college chicks" sometimes we choose to do things that are not easy to defend from a logical point of view or that others could understand, but we're still convinced that we did the right thing for us.

But let's return to the absurdity of the statement that kegging is easier and therefore superior to bottling.

If it was about saving time and effort, only an idiot would choose to homebrew at all. I can buy beer already made, easy as pie and with a variety and quality that no homebrewer could hope to match. and THAT is indisputable.

You really can't let go of this, can you? It really disturbs you that much that some random stranger looked at the same set of data and came to a different conclusion than you. Not all of us have the same motivations, or want the same thing.

And if convenience was any part of the equation, nobody in the western world would be a homebrewer.
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No, you really didn't, and the monastery reference was even further off point. No one joins a religious order and takes up that lifestyle because it's the "logical" thing or because it's easy.

No one joins the Marine Corps thinking "This should be easier than spending four years hanging around college chicks" sometimes we choose to do things that are not easy to defend from a logical point of view or that others could understand, but we're still convinced that we did the right thing for us.

But let's return to the absurdity of the statement that kegging is easier and therefore superior to bottling.

If it was about saving time and effort, only an idiot would choose to homebrew at all. I can buy beer already made, easy as pie and with a variety and quality that no homebrewer could hope to match. and THAT is indisputable.

You really can't let go of this, can you? It really disturbs you that much that some random stranger looked at the same set of data and came to a different conclusion than you. Not all of us have the same motivations, or want the same thing.

And if convenience was any part of the equation, nobody in the western world would be a homebrewer.
Well Holy Dog Sex!!!!! Why didn't I see it????

So taking as much time as possible and as much trouble as you can is good!

OK!!



Lets all:

Grow our own barley
Grow our own wheat
Grow our own Hops
Grow our own Sugar (or corn)
Make our own bottles
Make our own fermenters

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Well Holy Dog Sex!!!!! Why didn't I see it????

So taking as much time as possible and as much trouble as you can is good!

OK!!



Lets all:

Grow our own barley
Grow our own wheat
Grow our own Hops
Grow our own Sugar (or corn)
Make our own bottles
Make our own fermenters

You've unwittingly made my argument. That sometimes the real or imagined gains are not worth the trouble of the additional effort.

I'm sure that hops growers could argue just as passionately about the superiority of using home cultivated hops.

You still haven't answered my question...

WHY do you care that I bottle my beer?

Because, you're starting to sound like a dick about this. So...

answer the question. "Why do you care that I bottle my beer?"
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You've unwittingly made my argument. That sometimes the real or imagined gains are not worth the trouble of the additional effort.

I'm sure that hops growers could argue just as passionately about the superiority of using home cultivated hops.

You still haven't answered my question...

WHY do you care that I bottle my beer?

Because, you're starting to sound like a dick about this. So...

answer the question. "Why do you care that I bottle my beer?"
Why do you care that he cares?

While I do appreciate the sport of useless internet jousting, and do occasionally participate myself, I'm going to close this one. This is not the debate forum and this can go nowhere but (more) down.

Cheers, bottlers or keggers.
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