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tenchu_11 · 07-29-2010, 03:11 AM

Its summer and i'm doing research before i try and brew my first lager at ale temps and I see that those two terms being thrown around very losely. Pseudo lagers and yeast..can some one give me examples of each. Obviously Pseudo means to be false..but why call something a false lager or false lager yeast. Please expand on this thank you.

RDWHAHB · 07-29-2010, 03:17 AM

Never heard of it. Maybe it emulates the affect of lagering, but at a higher temp?

RDWHAHB · 07-29-2010, 03:19 AM

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Reason: Spelled one of my Pseudo wrong..some one was bound to point it out

Well, I pretty much guarantee I got affect/effect wrong.

RDWHAHB · 07-29-2010, 03:21 AM

So I inspired myself to look into it. Grammar that is. Not yeast. It appears I indeed got it dead wrong.

**Walker** · 07-29-2010, 03:33 AM

I've never heard the term "pseudo lager", but there are a couple of "hybrid" styles out there.

One is a steam beer, which uses a special lager yeast that ferments at ale temps.

The other is the Kolsh style, which uses a special ale yeast that ferments at lager temps.

tenchu_11 · 07-29-2010, 03:49 AM

What yeast strain would be good for steam beer. I've tried to make a pilsener with WP 029 with good effects didn't even know Pils are lagers until now.

**Walker** · 07-29-2010, 03:53 AM

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What yeast strain would be good for steam beer. I've tried to make a pilsener with WP 029 with good effects didn't even know Pils where lagers until now.

WLP810 - San Francisco Lager

or

Wyeast 2112 - California Lager Yeast

edit: these still want to be cooler than 70*F according to the specs. Looks like 65*F(ish) is the top of the ideal range.

tenchu_11 · 07-29-2010, 04:09 AM

So i could make a Vienna Lager (or any random lager) with either of those strains above and should perform decently at 65F. Or I guess the WLP 029 Kolsch would be another strain to use.

slowbie · 07-29-2010, 04:30 AM

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So i could make a Vienna Lager (or any random lager) with either of those strains above and should perform decently at 65F. Or I guess the WLP 029 Kolsch would be another strain to use.

Have you ever had Anchor Steam Beer? That uses that San Francisco Lager strain. If you have had it, you'll notice that it's slightly different than your typical lager, so if you go into it expecting results exactly the same as commercial examples you've tried you may be a bit disappointed. However, using one of the California lager strains walker mentioned will get you very close (IMO) and nothing else short of temperature control and the proper yeast strain would get you closer.

A Kolsch yeast will be better than any other ale yeast, but to my tastes you can definitely tell it's an ale. If you can keep your temps around 65 the San Francisco/California Lager strain is the way to go IMO.

Got Trub? · 07-29-2010, 04:33 AM

You could make any lager recipe using an ale yeast at ale temperatures. It will not taste like a Vienna lager made with lager yeast at lager yeast temperatures. Many have had varying success at making "psuedo-lagers" using the above strains at the cooler end of their preferred temperatures. Another strain to consider is the Cal ale yeast (wyeast 1056) again using the cool end of its range as it is a very clean yeast that imparts little ester flavour to beer brewed with it. Regardless of what you use you will make drinkable beer - just don't expect it to taste like a well brewed Vienna lager using an appropriate lager yeast strain.

GT