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Old 07-30-2014, 07:28 PM   #11
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If it were me, I'd still enter it in 13B, but there should be a space allowing you to add comments to your submission. There you could describe any additional characteristics for the judges to account for. Be aware that anything listed there the judges must be able to detect, otherwise you may be penalized some points. I don't think cocoa and vanilla beans qualify as "spices," but I'm not 100% positive.

Any certified judges want to weigh in? I could be mistaken.

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Old 07-30-2014, 07:40 PM   #12
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S/H/V all the way if the beer has a noticeable (non grain derived) chocolate and vanilla flavor. Those "special ingredients" should be easily picked up in the beer or the judges could knock it a bit. If those ingredients are background you can get away with entering it as a Sweet Stout and not mentioning them.

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Old 07-30-2014, 08:11 PM   #13
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Vanilla is a spice and noticeable amounts would be considered a fault in 13B. Chocolate notes are allowed, on the other hand a strong chocolate profile would also be a fault. Simply noting them in additional characteristics wouldn't keep them from being a fault in 13B.

If the chocolate and vanilla are barely perceptible, the kind of thing you wouldn't notice unless someone told you, then 13B, otherwise a spice\herb\veg beer.

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Old 07-30-2014, 08:18 PM   #14
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There you have it; vanilla and chocolate are s/v/h. I sit corrected.

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Old 07-30-2014, 09:51 PM   #15
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If you have added anything besides water, grain, hops and yeast it should be entered as a specialty beer. I would not enter as a sweet stout.


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Old 07-31-2014, 03:02 AM   #16
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If you have added anything besides water, grain, hops and yeast it should be entered as a specialty beer.

What do you have against Categories 20-22?
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Old 07-31-2014, 03:06 AM   #17
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if you have to say "well technically it's..." then just enter it as that....

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Old 07-31-2014, 04:29 PM   #18
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Absolutely 21A. The purpose of 23 is as an experimental category, where beers that do not fit any other category go. Per the guidelines, vanilla & cacao nibs are termed spices. Full stop. Same goes for coffee, dried chilies, tomatoes, coconut, etc. The new style guidelines explicit state that if you have to use the term "technically," it doesn't fit. The BJCP is using the culinary use as the definitive use, not the botanical. This is to relieve the the confusion surrounding peppers, coconut/other nuts & cucumbers, which used to end up in 20A (Fruit Beer) fairly often.

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