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Old 04-29-2011, 07:25 AM   #21
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Well, living in Canada myself, I helped a friend a while ago bottle a batch (came out to 54 bottles) using an Emily capper and ONLY Canadian twist-offs (he had no pry-offs).

The tops of 4 bottles broke off completely, and 2 more were chipped with glass possibly still having gotten into the beer - overall, a sixer wasted, and a VERY frustrating and arduous time. Would American twist-offs have been any worse? I have no idea, but I'll never cap even Canadian twist-offs ever again.
That's why I use a bench capper. The capper you are using puts too much pressure on the neck. It is essentially crushing a narrow tube of glass. A bench capper such as this works fine. I have bottled probably around 1000 bottles and never had one break on me. 2 have not sealed properly and left me with flat beer.
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Old 04-29-2011, 08:08 AM   #22
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Yeah, I know Emily cappers are far from ideal, but neither me nor my friend have anywhere to really mount a bench capper. Either way, it's undeniable that most people who are bottling with crown caps - as opposed to those who exclusively keg, or use swing-top bottles (ie Grolsch, EZ Cap), and/or (*shakes head*) PET bottles - are using hand cappers, so it's an issue that definitely shouldn't be ignored or dismissed, although your information is obviously valuable for those using bench cappers, or at least ones as good as the super agata, assuming that's what you own since you linked to it.

I'm moving soon though, and hopefully I'll be able to accommodate a better capper. I was originally thinking about that super agata you linked to, but ultimately, I've also heard great things about - and would rather go with - this, a colonna capper, as it'd also allow me to cork Belgians and bières de garde, as well as ciders, and I find that capability just too good to pass up.

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I mounted mine on a piece of plywood -large enough to be stable, but small enough to move around to wherever I need it.
I agree that most have wing cappers (I mean consider that these things are almost always packaged with beginner brewing systems) but there really is no point in 'addressing' the problem of using one to cap a screw-top bottle. The wing cappers aren't designed to use those kinds of bottles, period. Bench cappers have that versatility. Use the right tool for the right task.

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I mounted mine on a piece of plywood -large enough to be stable, but small enough to move around to wherever I need it.
I agree that most have wing cappers (I mean consider that these things are almost always packaged with beginner brewing systems) but there really is no point in 'addressing' the problem of using one to cap a screw-top bottle. The wing cappers aren't designed to use those kinds of bottles, period. Bench cappers have that versatility. Use the right tool for the right task.
What I mean by addressing is making people aware of the issue, and there certainly is a need for that. If they just hear that Canadian twist-offs are strong enough, without knowing that it probably doesn't apply to the capper they own, they're in for a hellish time.
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Very distressing to learn Founders is moving to twist-offs. I don't buy low-grade beer regardless but I do let bottle selection guide my high-grade beer picks and Founders bottles comprise almost my entire stock of 12oz bottles.

Is anyone aware of breweries that put twisties onto 22oz bombers? Those are my favorite bottles but I still need 12ozers for conditioning tastes and giveaways that won't be returning the bottle.

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What I mean by addressing is making people aware of the issue, and there certainly is a need for that. If they just hear that Canadian twist-offs are strong enough, without knowing that it probably doesn't apply to the capper they own, they're in for a hellish time.
Definitely! I was just stating the bench capping side of the story. Thanks for adding the other!

I am actually an apartment brewer and don't have my bench capper mounted. I use it on the kitchen counter every time. One hand on the bottom of the shaft and one pushing the handle down. Works great! Mounting is not a necessity. Just bottled a batch of Cascadian Dark Ale last night!
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I bought a six pack of Pilsner Urquell because I wanted to retaste a good lager before brewing one. And the bonus was supposed to be the empty bottles. Yes, they are green but I thought I'd use them for my tester bottles which are quick to be emptied.

The tops were not twist off but too large for standard bottle caps. And I didn't realize it until my third bottle. Oops.

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What I mean by addressing is making people aware of the issue, and there certainly is a need for that. If they just hear that Canadian twist-offs are strong enough, without knowing that it probably doesn't apply to the capper they own, they're in for a hellish time.
Oh ok, I misunderstood. I agree, nothing worse than being disappointed because of unforseen issues (lord knows there are enough of those on a daily basis).
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