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Denny · 12-19-2009, 05:30 PM

Most craft beers, at least around here, aren't filtered, so I don't know if that plays into it. I'd have to say that as much as I like my beers, it would be a conceit to say that mine are consistently better than commercial beers. Of course, it depends on what commercial beers you're talking about, but here in Beervana it's not hard to find commercial beers that will blow mine away.

carnevoodoo · 12-19-2009, 06:11 PM

I'm siding with Denny on this one. I might be in baby beervana down here in SD< but the commercial breweries are putting out amazing beer. If I compare my homebrewed beer to an average commercial beer, sure it'll stand up, but I think that there are a lot of breweries who are just better at it than any of us ever could be at home.

d510addict · 12-19-2009, 06:23 PM

Denny I envy you.........6 months since I graduated and move back to portland from the euge and I miss it sooooo much. Also while I've never had home brew beer I too would find it hard to believe that a homebrew could be better than a fresh pint of tracktown honey orange wheat.

**weirdboy** · 12-19-2009, 06:33 PM

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Also while I've never had home brew beer

Well, you need to fix that.

I don't think there's really any way to do a fair comparison. I have had some excellent homebrews that stand up against any commercial craft beer. Of course, I've also had plenty of homebrews that taste like pennies, or have an infection, or fermented too high, etc. and those just don't compare favorably when I have Pliny on tap at any of the local bars I go to. But then again I have had some pretty unspectacular commercial craft beers, and in some cases I have had commercial craft beers that made me angry they were so poorly made. I mean, beers so bad that as a homebrewer I wouldn't purposely offer beer that bad to someone, let alone ask them to pay for it.

So overall I just don't think you can draw a line in the sand and say, homebrew is better, or commercial beer is better. As with most things, it's context dependent.

Lando · 12-19-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by weirdboy

Well, you need to fix that.
So overall I just don't think you can draw a line in the sand and say, homebrew is better, or commercial beer is better. As with most things, it's context dependent.

Agreed. But if my IPA beats Stone, Bells and Pliny I am declaring home brew superior

Also, just cracked open a few of those same beers today and they seem to taste a little better... not my favorite for the style, but I sure as hell wouldn't turn one down. Not sure why they seem better. Maybe my taste buds were jacked up last night.
Oh well...
cheers

carnevoodoo · 12-19-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lando

Agreed. But if my IPA beats Stone, Bells and Pliny I am declaring home brew superior

Also, just cracked open a few of those same beers today and they seem to taste a little better... not my favorite for the style, but I sure as hell wouldn't turn one down. Not sure why they seem better. Maybe my taste buds were jacked up last night.
Oh well...
cheers

I highly doubt your beer beats those. I mean I'm glad you think so, but those beers are all top notch. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but perception alongside pride and bias are really not fair. And your friends will look at it the same way. I just don't think you could beat any of those beers without being a professional.

That said, you have to take freshness into account, too. Old Pliny sucks. Any of those beers need to be drank young.

sub-zero · 12-20-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by carnevoodoo

I highly doubt your beer beats those. I mean I'm glad you think so, but those beers are all top notch. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but perception alongside pride and bias are really not fair. And your friends will look at it the same way. I just don't think you could beat any of those beers without being a professional.

Why would you have to be a Pro to beat them? Just because you don't do it for a living dose not mean you can't make kick a$$ beer!

IceFisherChris · 12-20-2009, 02:27 PM

The porter I just made tastes better than a couple of the commercial brews I have tried. The other lighter flavored ones don't. I think it comes down to subtle off flavors. My friend and I have both brewed pale and india pale ales. It seems harder to get those to taste perfect.

jjones17 · 12-20-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by carnevoodoo

I highly doubt your beer beats those. I mean I'm glad you think so, but those beers are all top notch. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but perception alongside pride and bias are really not fair. And your friends will look at it the same way. I just don't think you could beat any of those beers without being a professional.

That said, you have to take freshness into account, too. Old Pliny sucks. Any of those beers need to be drank young.

Bwaaaaa hwaaaa hwaaaa! A 'professional' just means you get paid to do what you are doing. It does not make one special, nor great. I know a few 'professionals' who are completely incompetent (yes, that bad), and many more who just are not that great at what they do. Sure, some are definately worthy of the title, but the title does not make one great.

This is the most hilarious post I have seen in a while. Professional... puuuleeease.

It is apparent the key difference from an experienced home brewer, and a 'professional' brewer is the level of CONSISTENCY that can be achieved through highly accurate equipment. All of that, though, bearing in mind "experienced" meaning one really knows what they are doing.

Not meaning to 'sound like a dick'.

**jkarp** · 12-20-2009, 03:52 PM

And even CONSISTENCY is a stretch. I LOVE me some Pliny. Without a doubt my favorite beer this side of the Atlantic. That said, I've never had two bottles the same. Sometimes it's hoppier, sometimes there's sediment in the bottle. The current batch of bottles I'm drinking has massive chill haze. Don't care. It's all awesome and my Pliny clone only came close.