Serious MORAL dilemma
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Synovia
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While I think it makes him a *********, if the guy isn't going to win the AG category with his IPA, he probably isn't going to win the Extract category either.
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smizak
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Hahaha, awesome.
Edcculus
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Bazing! I almost spit the black and tan I made out of Imperial IPA and Imperial Stout all over my screen!
I still say entering the correct category is the right call. Like others said, if the comp allows it, there is no reason not to enter a beer in more than one style. Sometimes a beer, like maybe a porter can potentially fall under a few styles. You may have an IIPA that could pass as a Barleywine, or a big FES thats bordering on a RIS. If your friend is against judging, thats his deal. Its not really right to screw with a competition to prove a point though.
jjones17
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Who is Karma, and why would he 'get' him? Seriously, if this Karma guy has issues, screw him.
I say, use your own judgement. Personally, when I make decisions like this I look at 2 variables in order of importance:
1) Will this significantly improve the likelihood of my, or my families, survival? If it has nothing to do with survival or with a MUCH increased possibility of enjoyment of life I go immediately to #2.
2) If someone did this to me, how would I feel about it? If I am not affecting someone else negatively, that does not deserve it, then I just go ahead with it.
So, if it were me.... I probably would just enter it in the all-grain, simply because by doing so if I win I will feel much better about myself. I could care less about this Karma guy, whoever he is, and I care even less whether I am cheating or not. This is simply a personal gratification decision for me.
ReverseApacheMaster
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Sounds to me like your LHBS guy is looking to make himself look better at your expense. The more medals he can say he's helped with, the better he looks and the more people will come to him for advice and purchases.
jjones17
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Woah, you may have hit the nail on the head.
Edcculus
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He is one mean motherf#ucker!
StAnthonyB
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Good on you for recognizing the dilemma.
I saw poll way back that showed most homebrewers are not exactly believers, but I think this one is covered under "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Stuff like this tends to nip you in the keister eventually.
I happen to know a reputable local brewer who now has his own commercial line of beers, who duped the judged for years using the ready-to-go extract kits and dry yeast and submitting fake recipes. This was bragged to me, perhaps, less than prudently. But, hey, he got away with it; awards and money to boot. I guess some judges are better than others.
Man may not believe in the Idea of God.
It sure is a good thing God believes in the Idea of Man.
-GK Chesterton, British journalist and proto-co-founder of the real ale movement.
JetSmooth
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He sounds like the kind of guy who enters a pinewood derby race "for his son" and then build the car all by himself and maybe lets his kid pick the color.
You can always tell the cards that the kids build versus the ones the father's build.
OT: I didn't know GK Chersteron was involved in the Real Ale movement. Just started learning about it myself, but I know of him from Christian philosophy circles. Interesting.
You can always tell the cards that the kids build versus the ones the father's build.
OT: I didn't know GK Chersteron was involved in the Real Ale movement. Just started learning about it myself, but I know of him from Christian philosophy circles. Interesting.
SteveM
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The whole idea of competitions can get me a bit queasy because of stuff like this. I've brewed beers that I thought were competition-worthy, but I've never entered any. Why? Basically because I don't care how other people feel about my beers. I make them for my taste, not for any one else's.
Even tastings can get this way at times, but I go to them sometimes so I can see what other people are doing and maybe (ahem - steal some ideas to) make my beers better. The first time I tried Amarillo hops was at a tasting, and I've hardly made a batch without them since.
Even tastings can get this way at times, but I go to them sometimes so I can see what other people are doing and maybe (ahem - steal some ideas to) make my beers better. The first time I tried Amarillo hops was at a tasting, and I've hardly made a batch without them since.
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