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Old 09-21-2010, 04:16 PM   #51
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does anyone have any updated info on this since the last post?

I know Cricket Hill Brewery in NJ can fill your growler for you during tours/tastings....but i dont know if a special permit is needed. And yes, the owner has mentioned that they are limited to selling you 2 six packs.

Also, i wonder if there is such an environment where i can rent an apt, live upstairs where it's zoned residential, but also rent out the first floor which could be my brewery (commercial).

does anyone know exactly what constitutes a brewpub in NJ. yes i know theres food on premise...but could you get a brewpub license and literally just cook hotdogs/burgers? cant be that simple...

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Old 09-22-2010, 06:36 PM   #52
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We looked into opening a brew pub two years ago, but decided that New Jersey wasn't the place to build. There's a reason there aren't many brew pubs in New Jersey as compared to other states

The largest impediment was the liquor license. In New Jersey, there can only be one liquor license per category per 3000 residents in a community. Because of this, liquor licenses can go for upwards of $1 million - IF you know when they come up for bid. Most times, liquor licenses are sold quietly through intermediaries, and as such, a lot of them end up in the big chains hands (who can afford the process and the price).

Add to that the other license requirements such as a brewing license, a health certificate, and a restaurant license (even if you're not serving food as beer is classified as food in NJ), along with crazy zoning issues and taxation requirements, we decided to forgo the brew pub and work at our regular jobs for a living.

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Old 09-23-2010, 11:00 AM   #53
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Yea I had this dream of opening a small beer bar / brewpub and then after carefully reading the laws realized it's never going to happen in NJ because you need a full liquor license. If you really want to make beer in NJ you're probably better off trying to run a commercial operation and self distributing but I'm sure there's a whole set of messed up rules about that too.

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Old 01-26-2011, 03:07 PM   #54
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Any updates? Any nano operations in NJ? What does the law say about selling bottles or growlers out of the brewery? From what I've read I don't see why I couldn't set up a micro operation in a mainstreet area, self distribute locally and sell bottles and growlers out of the shop. Even if that's only allowed during tour hours by permit I think it's still an attractive option.

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Old 01-26-2011, 03:27 PM   #55
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Its a lot easier in NJ than it is here in FL at least :-). Here's a couple links. I didn't look thru this whole thread so sorry if they have been posted.

http://www.njbeer.org/
http://www.brewersassociation.org/pages/government-affairs/self-distribution-laws

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Old 01-26-2011, 03:37 PM   #56
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Magnj....im in total agreement with what you stated. Ilm almost positive you would have to go the full operational license route and become a full manufacturing brewery. I hope to be headed down that road in the next few years and am in the process of researching anything and everything that it takes to open up shop in NJ. If you're serious about the inquiry for your own reasons, maybe we should team up and research all laws for nj...i could always use the help. I'm considering locating my operation in hoboken, nj. With warehouse space in the $3k-$5k/month range, plus equipment, I can't see it being possible to turn a profit with anything less than a 15bbl system. Even with that, ud have to be running close to capacity to have any shot of making it. Due to this, I'm considering contract brewing for the first 1-3 yrs. Hopefully gain a following, grow the brand and gauge the future, in order to gain investment interest. Knowing this, I also have to research nj laws on contract brewing. ANYWAYS, if ur at all interested, PM me w ur private email and we'll put together a game plan. If we find enough info, maybe we can put together a wiki for future interest.

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Old 01-26-2011, 03:57 PM   #57
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if this bill passes, buy a farm and grow "some" of the ingredients:

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2010/Bills/A3500/3063_I1.HTM

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2010/Bills/A4000/3520_I1.HTM

"Farm brewery license. 1d. The holder of this license shall be entitled, subject to rules and regulations, to brew any malt alcoholic beverages in a quantity to be expressed in the license not in excess of 2,000 barrels of 31 fluid gallons per year and to maintain a warehouse and to sell products to consumers for consumption off the licensed premises and to offer samples for sampling purposes only. The license shall be issued only when the brewery at which such malt alcoholic beverages are brewed is located and constructed upon a tract of land exclusively under the control of the licensee, provided the licensee is actively engaged in farming on or adjacent to the brewery premises and is growing and cultivating hops or another product which is used in the production of the malt alcoholic beverages. The fee for this license shall be graduated as follows: to manufacture between 1,200 and 2,000 barrels per year, $300; to manufacture between 100 and 1,l99 barrels per year, $200; to manufacture fewer than 100 barrels per year, $100. For purposes of this subsection, "sampling" means the selling at a nominal charge or the gratuitous offering of an open container not exceeding one and one-half ounces of a malt alcoholic beverage. No individual or entity shall hold more than one farm brewery license."

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Old 01-26-2011, 05:51 PM   #58
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if this bill passes, buy a farm and grow "some" of the ingredients:

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2010/Bills/A3500/3063_I1.HTM

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2010/Bills/A4000/3520_I1.HTM

"Farm brewery license. 1d. The holder of this license shall be entitled, subject to rules and regulations, to brew any malt alcoholic beverages in a quantity to be expressed in the license not in excess of 2,000 barrels of 31 fluid gallons per year and to maintain a warehouse and to sell products to consumers for consumption off the licensed premises and to offer samples for sampling purposes only. The license shall be issued only when the brewery at which such malt alcoholic beverages are brewed is located and constructed upon a tract of land exclusively under the control of the licensee, provided the licensee is actively engaged in farming on or adjacent to the brewery premises and is growing and cultivating hops or another product which is used in the production of the malt alcoholic beverages. The fee for this license shall be graduated as follows: to manufacture between 1,200 and 2,000 barrels per year, $300; to manufacture between 100 and 1,l99 barrels per year, $200; to manufacture fewer than 100 barrels per year, $100. For purposes of this subsection, "sampling" means the selling at a nominal charge or the gratuitous offering of an open container not exceeding one and one-half ounces of a malt alcoholic beverage. No individual or entity shall hold more than one farm brewery license."

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I wonder if the Bellview winery in landisville are the driving force behind that legislation. A friend of mine is in tight with them and knows that they're trying to get set up to brew beer now too.
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:17 PM   #59
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That's interesting. Not really the business model I see myself getting involved in but cool none the less. To me I feel a nano op would have to be physically visible to gain local popularity. Although growning local is awesome and something a nano op would benefit from.

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Old 01-26-2011, 07:35 PM   #60
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Yeah i completely agree. If the company is local and attempting to grow, people are more inclined to purchase. Going the contract route is not ideal for such a belief, but really the only option for someone that is trying to gain a sizable market share, without $500-$1m in available funds. And they feel taking on that much in loans without a sale under the belt is too risky.

I take on the same perspective, in that if i find a "craft" beer that i know is made by one of the big 3, i refuse to buy it. and also, if i find a product that i like and find out it's contracted, i wonder what the motive is behind it. If it's a biz man who has no passion for beer and just see's an investment opportunity, than i will stay away, and spread word to others to stay away.... but if it's contract brewed by a passionate beer lover/brewer who doesn't have the funds and is trying to build up a following, so he/she/they can one day afford a small operation, than i'm all about it and will promote them.

so i see what your saying, but i think it's deeper than that. what are the intentions of the bottom line brewer.

for the area that i live in, i need a commercial location, which will create a large overhead. It isn't possible for me to throw together a 1/5 barrel system out of SS 55gal drums and expect to make it. i know the bottom line I need to even have a chance at being profitable and the cost is just too much for me to take on and too risky for me to get investors involved in. I trulybelieve the hybrid solution of contract brewing for a short period of time (1-3 yrs) is the best option.

but that's just me...

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