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RICLARK 04-14-2008 04:23 PM

schwarzbier
 
Does anyone have a link or comments on style guidelines for this. Traditional Ingredients and what not?

Beerrific 04-14-2008 04:27 PM

Style guide:
http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style04.html#1c

There is a Jamil show episode on Schwarzbier:
http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/arc...il11-20-06.mp3

Recipe:
http://beerdujour.com/Recipes/Jamil/...hwarzbier.html

jdoiv 04-14-2008 04:35 PM

I brewed his recipe and just made substitutions on the hops and yeast. It's in primary right now and I think it will turn out great from the one sample I've had.

RICLARK 04-14-2008 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beerrific

Thanks for that info it was just what I was looking for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdoiv
I brewed his recipe and just made substitutions on the hops and yeast. It's in primary right now and I think it will turn out great from the one sample I've had.

What were your Substitutions? Im really intrigued to make one and so far it doesn't seem overly complicated. Are you still Lagering?

uwjester 04-14-2008 05:02 PM

I did a schwarzbier a couple of months ago. I did an extract with grains recipe based on Jamil's book. You can substitute base grain for the extract of course. I've been pretty good about letting it lager for 3 months. From specific gravity samples, I've noticed that the chocolate malt goes a long way, but otherwise it is a fairly clean finishing beer. I'm really looking forward to drinking this one in May.

6oz. chocolate malt
6oz. crystal 40 L
3.5oz. carafa II
3.5oz. black roasted barley

5# munich LME
3.6# pilsner LME

1.75oz. 3.6%AA Hallertau @60min
.5oz 3.1%AA Hallertau @20min
.5oz 3.1%AA Hallertau @0min

2 liter starter (3 days early) of WLP830 "German Lager Yeast"

RICLARK 04-14-2008 05:05 PM

I think Im going to go this route. Now I just have to find some Hallertaur.

Brew Type: All Grain Date: 4/14/2008
Style: Schwarzbier (Black Beer) Brewer: Richard Clark
Batch Size: 5.00 gal Assistant Brewer:
Boil Volume: 7.00 gal Boil Time: 90 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 63.00 % Equipment: Brew Pot (7.5 gal) and Igloo Cooler (10 Gal)
Actual Efficiency: 62.88 %
Taste Rating (50 possible points): 35.0

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
8.00 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 51.61 %
4.00 lb Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 25.81 %
2.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 12.90 %
1.00 lb Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 6.45 %
0.50 lb Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 3.23 %
1.50 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] (60 min) Hops 21.6 IBU
1.00 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] (15 min) Hops 7.1 IBU
1.50 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] (5 min) Hops 4.8 IBU
1 Pkgs Southern German Lager (White Labs #WLP838) [Starter 35 ml] Yeast-Lager

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.068 SG (1.044-1.054 SG) Measured Original Gravity: 1.068 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.018 SG (1.010-1.016 SG) Measured Final Gravity: 1.018 SG
Estimated Color: 42.8 SRM (20.0-45.0 SRM) Color [Color]
Bitterness: 33.5 IBU (25.0-35.0 IBU) Alpha Acid Units: 12.0 AAU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 6.53 % (4.20-5.40 %) Actual Alcohol by Volume: 6.53 %
Actual Calories: 309 cal/pint


Mash Profile Name: Double Infusion, Light Body Mash Tun Weight: 9.00 lb
Mash Grain Weight: 15.50 lb Mash PH: 5.4 PH
Grain Temperature: 72.0 F Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F
Sparge Water: 0.00 gal Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE

Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Protein Rest Add 3.49 gal of water at 132.1 F 122.0 F 30 min
Saccrification Add 3.10 gal of water at 187.9 F 150.0 F 30 min
Mash Out Add 3.10 gal of water at 210.3 F 168.0 F 10 min

quickerNu 04-14-2008 10:08 PM

I love Shiner's Black Lager and have wanted to try to copy it for a while. I am splitting the difference between uwjester and riclark and working up a mini-mash. I am still figuring out beersmith, and trying to find styrian hops. Shiner uses Styrian and Saaz.

uwjester 04-14-2008 10:17 PM

Good idea. I think the styrians would go good with this beer, but yeah, they are hard to come by these days. I've been wanting to do a pilsner with styraian goldings, but I just haven't come across the hops for it.

quickerNu 04-14-2008 10:20 PM

Here is what I have worked up so far. I might not use so much chocolate, and I need another bittering hop. Any suggestions? Maybe perle for bittering and saaz just for aroma? I have yet to figure out how to set up my mash on beersmith.

Type: Partial Mash
Date: 4/14/2008
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Brewer: Neal Wendele
Boil Size: 4.36 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Brew Pot (5 Gallon)
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00
Taste Notes:

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
5.00 lb Munich Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 58.82 %
2.00 lb Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 23.53 %
0.50 lb Black Barley (Stout) (500.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
0.50 lb Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
1.00 oz Saaz [4.00 %] (60 min) Hops 12.2 IBU
0.50 oz Saaz [4.00 %] (30 min) Hops 4.7 IBU
0.50 oz Saaz [4.00 %] (5 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
1 Pkgs German Bock Lager (White Labs #WLP833) [Starter 35 ml] Yeast-Lager



Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.052 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.010 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.005 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.06 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 0.65 %
Bitterness: 16.9 IBU Calories: 43 cal/pint
Est Color: 34.1 SRM Color: Color


Mash Profile

Mash Name: My Mash Total Grain Weight: 3.50 lb
Sparge Water: 4.88 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

uwjester 04-14-2008 10:37 PM

I would think of cutting the black barley a bit, depending on what you are shooting for. My interperetation of the style is that you don't want to create a stout-like flavor. I think you are shooting for a fairly clean lager. Too much black barley could add a coffee-like acrid flavor. Of course, I've done this style all of once, so take any advice I give with a pile of salt.


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