Bmorebrew

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I find Sam's comments well-crafted and his words carefully chosen. I know plenty of craft beer drinkers and we all have our preferences, our likes, our dislikes. Even the DFH offerings that I don't particularly care for I find to be of high quality. His beers that I can't get into from a 'drinking' perspective I am still able to appreciate from a standpoint that they are made properly.

One of my pet peeves about BA is that it seems like it's full of douchebags . . . hipsters who love to suck on the tailpipes of the cool RISs and DIPAs only because the rest of the other hipsters do. I wouldn't be surprised if many people who grade beers over there have never even had them.

That in mind, I suspect Sam had his audience in mind when pecking out his rant yesterday. Such comments would probably not have been made to a group of commercial craft brewers. Nor to homebrewers for that matter. Only to people who most likely wouldn't be able to pass the Pepsi challenge of craft beer.

Lennie

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Whats beautiful is that Sam C. can make one post on an internet forum and elicit 10 pages of responses on the first day on another beer forum. I can't think of anyone else in the craft beer business who could do that. Guess the book and TV show have cemented his celebrity.

Rev2010

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Heh, yeah Christ I ask some questions here and with all the experienced people on here I often get one response over days and have to bump the thread. Couldn't believe this is an 11 page thread in one day.

Anyhow, I admit I'm guilty of clicking and reading. I read Sam's post and all I have to say is this....

In all my years as a musician the most important thing I feel I've learned is you simply cannot please everyone and there will always... ALWAYS be negative opinions on you and what you do not matter what.

I personally don't visit BeerAdvocate, I've seen it but never found any viable reason to use it or interact with it. Snobbery comes on all levels among all things. No matter the hobby or field - automotive, cigars, music, wine, cheese, legal, etc there is always snobbery. I for one find it rather amusing how people love something then instantly turn on it.

All you need to do to see this attitude in action is read the negative reviews of bands 2nd or 3rd albums. The hilarious dichotomy is that if you make an album similar in sound to the first you will have those hating it because it sounds like a repeat. However, if the album sounds different then you have the negative reviewers saying it's nothing like the original and the band has changed for the worse.


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davidr7283

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Well said! I hadn't heard of DFH until the TV show, now i have also read his book and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I will continue to drink the beers I like and not drink the ones I don't. But I will support every brewer out there with the exception of BMC.

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wailingguitar

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I have tried to link to his rant through here and probrewer.com several times today and it never connects... what gives?

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SittingDuck

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Link still opens fine for me.

Rev2010

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Why do you refer to it as a rant? Just curious as all too often it seems that whenever someone with some basis to make a well informed response suddenly it gets considered as a rant.


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teal

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I have great respect for Sam the business man. Alternatively when his beer was available here, I just couldn't find one I liked. FWIW

I agree with him, you can like or dislike a beer and so long as you back up why - feel free to share that opinion. It has worth. What doesn't have worth is cracking on a place just for being successful or from a position of group think and mob mentality. Which you tend to see on BA quite a bit.

I've seen this particular thread discussed in about 7 places since it posted. What's happened is some people then swing to the other extreme. Saying things like if it wasn't for Sam and the work DFH has done there wouldn't be any good beer in America, we'd all be BMC drones.

Well intentioned but just as ignorant as the people writing the criticisms that got Sam to post to begin with. It's disrespectful to guys like Fritz Maytag, Ken Grossman, Jack McAuliffe, and cities like Denver and Portland or even the home brewing community at large. Sam didn't invent craft beer or home brewing, he wasn't the first guy to try and sell it either.

Just a little perspective for both sides is all.

Drink what you like - share what you like - brew what you like. Screw the rest.

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Self-righteousness on BA? Surely you jest

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wailingguitar

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I used the word "rant" since that was the word used in the title of the thread! If you read my post, obviously I haven't even been able to read it yet! WTH?

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