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fightingfreuds 12-25-2012 05:31 PM

sake/beer hybrid ideas??
 
Just got a sake "kit" from nothern brewer for christmas. Includes packet of "fine" koji-kin, Wyeast Sake #9 pack, and some citric acid.

Looking for a way to incorporate into beer and was thinking something like CBC did here:
http://cambridgebrewing.com/blog/details/sake-beer.-banryu-ichi-2012/

So I'd make a moto (I guess the equivalent of a yeast starter, should take a couple weeks) and rack wort on top in the carboy. Not sure about the wort recipe yet but seems like rice presence would be appropriate and I've got Sorachi Ace on hand to add to the Japanese theme....

Any ideas or input??

budbo 12-25-2012 05:48 PM

Might want to use a couple pounds of Flaked rice in the beer recipe, Sorachi Ace hops are going to give it a lemon hint, If you don't want that, I would go with Saaz (very popular flavor hop in Japanese beers). Most Japanese beers are light body so you might also want use pilsner malt in the recipe

TNGabe 12-25-2012 05:52 PM

Beer + sake = fancy malt liqour!:drunk:

fightingfreuds 12-25-2012 06:39 PM

Joking aside, could turn out tasting like malt liquor I guess but worth a try!

So maybe something like 80% Pilsner with 2 lbs of flaked rice and some sort of specialty malt to add color and complexity.
Not much bitterness but Saaz and a touch of Sorachi as late additions?

iambeer 12-26-2012 03:27 AM

Look up the DFH Chateau Jiahu clone.
http://byo.com/stories/recipeindex/article/recipes/112-specialty-a-experimental-beer/450-dogfish-heads-chateau-jiahu-clone

And try a bottle, it's good.
http://www.dogfish.com/brews-spirits/the-brews/occassional-rarities/chateau-jiahu.htm

fightingfreuds 12-26-2012 04:07 AM

Said I was done with the pricey bottles for the year but might have to give that a try to see what I like from it. Think I'd want to keep the gravity lower but some honey could replace specialty malts if assertive enough

iambeer 12-26-2012 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fightingfreuds (Post 4715814)
Said I was done with the pricey bottles for the year but might have to give that a try to see what I like from it. Think I'd want to keep the gravity lower but some honey could replace specialty malts if assertive enough

I had planned to do this beer/sake/wine/hybrid, but the ingredients are expensive; especially the powder and the muscat. Pricey and you are left with a lot of left over material. That's why I never carried through. Also because I didn't want to screw up an expensive brew while I'm on my first year. But I do recommend tasting that beer even though it's $15 to $20 a pop. Women enjoy that drink so be sure to share.

Good luck with your experimentation with sake yeast!

pdxal 12-26-2012 06:17 AM

Isn't Budweiser a beer/sake hybrid, since it uses rice and malted barley?
You could always make an adjunct lager with rice, but why try to mix the styles? Make sake, and make beer.

fightingfreuds 12-26-2012 03:07 PM

I think the Sake yeast would be the defining contribution, especially with the whole moto starter step.... at the very least it sounds artisinal

JRems 12-26-2012 04:40 PM

You should try hitachino nest red rice ale. It's made with rice and sake yeast. It's interesting.


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