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Old 03-28-2012, 01:05 AM   #1
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I'm interested in making a red IPA, but I want the red color with as little flavor difference as possible from a regular IPA. I'm not interested in using food coloring, but I want it to be a noticeable red/scarlet, not too brown.

I did a little research but can't seem to find any consensus on the best grains and amounts to use to do this. I am an extract brewer, currently.

On a side note, I'm going to be using Columbus hops through and through, if you have any tips on that as well. I'm also going to do half the batch with a regular ale yeast and half with a Belgian strain, just to see which one i like more.

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Old 03-28-2012, 01:25 AM   #2
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CaraRed and Melanoiden Malt impart red color to the beer and are used in small quantities to my knowledge. How small and added flavors I'm not sure about

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Old 03-28-2012, 02:10 AM   #3
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Here's my first stab at it. Not sure if ~15 srm is where I want to be, these color scales are kind of confusing...

I'm going to do half the batch with the WLP001 yeast and half with a Belgian yeast, just for fun


Type: Extract
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 3.67 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Equipment: Pot ( 4 Gal/15.1 L) - Extract
End of Boil Volume 3.38 gal
Final Bottling Volume: 4.60 gal

Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6 lbs Light Dry Extract (8.0 SRM) Dry Extract 3 68.6 %
1 lbs Corn Sugar (Dextrose) (0.0 SRM) Sugar 4 11.4 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Carared (20.0 SRM) Grain 1 17.1 %
4.0 oz Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 2 2.9 %
2.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 5 39.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 6 23.3 IBUs
2.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 7 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
2.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35.49 ml] Yeast 8 -

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.063
Est Final Gravity: 1.010
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 7.0%
Bitterness: 62.3 IBUs
Est Color: 14.6 SRM

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Old 03-28-2012, 01:01 PM   #4
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I wouldn't be too keen on the roasted barley. It has a pretty strong flavor. Maybe Carafa Special III "dehusked" would be a better option. It's "debittered" and should have a milder flavor impact.

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I'd take out the roasted barley, as it's more brown than red, and it has a strong roasty flavor.

I'd use just carared for color.

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Carared lends a dark brown color so don't be fooled by the name.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/wiki/index.php/Malts_Chart

Carastan, CaraAmber, or CaraAroma will provide a much more noticeable red color. And depending on the other ingredients in the recipe, black malt in small amounts will give a red tinge to a beer. Using 1 to 2 oz. or so will not add much roastiness at all to the final flavor.

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I just did a Desert Combat Red extract recipe using light DME and 2oz of black patent malt. Turned a really nice red color, but there is a slight sharpness to it. maybe 1.5oz would have been better.

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I did an imperial red last week, I'll post pictures when it's done, but it won't be for a few weeks.

14 lbs 2-row
1 lb CaraRed
0.5 lb corn sugar
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2 oz Bravo, 60 min
1 oz each Simcoe, Columbus, 10 min
1 oz each Simcoe, Columbus, 0 min
dry hop 2 oz each Simcoe, Columbus

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Everyone that has brewed it seems to like this one by TimBrewz pretty well. It's about 3rd on my list of must-brews.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f69/india-red-ale-160034/

Pale Ale Malt 6.5 lbs
Munich type 1 (10L) 5 lbs.
Crystal 40L .75 lbs
Crystal 90L .5 lbs
Black malt 1 oz

All whole hops
Simcoe(13% aa) 1 oz 60 min
Amarillo(9.3% aa)1 oz 30 min
Cascade (7% aa)1 oz 5 min

Simcoe .5 oz dry hops
Amarillo 1 oz dry hops
Cascade .5 oz dry hops

Mash 153 for 60 min
Collect 7 gallons
Boil 90 min

American Ale yeast.

Ferment 10 days primary, 7 days secondary with dry hops. Enjoy.
Boil 90 min.

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I did an imperial red last week, I'll post pictures when it's done, but it won't be for a few weeks.

14 lbs 2-row
1 lb CaraRed
0.5 lb corn sugar
US-05

2 oz Bravo, 60 min
1 oz each Simcoe, Columbus, 10 min
1 oz each Simcoe, Columbus, 0 min
dry hop 2 oz each Simcoe, Columbus
Nice recipe. I'd imagine you would get something more gold/copper though.

What was the OG and projected FG? How about mash temp and boil size, batch size?
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