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david_42 02-06-2010 08:47 PM

Proposed Style Guidelines. Cascadian Dark Ale
This just in, via the Oregon Brew Crew Feb. '10 newsletter.

Aroma: prominent NW hop aromas: citrus, pine, resinous, sweet malt, hints of roast, toast, chocolate malt, and/or Carafa back-up the hops. Dry hopped character is often present. No diacetyl, esters generally range from low to none.

Appearance: Deep brown to black with ruby highlights. Head varies from white to tan/khaki

Flavor: A balance between piney, citrus-like and spicy NW hop flavor, bitterness, caramel malt, and roast, chocolate, or Carafa-type malts. Roast character ranges from subtle to medium. Black malt is acceptable at low levels, but should not be astringent. Intense ashy, burnt character is not appropriate. Caramel malt as a secondary flavor is acceptable but the finish should be dry. Diacetyl should not be present. Emphasis should be on hop flavor.

Mouthfeel: Light to medium, hop bitterness and tannins from roast malts combine to create a dry mouthfeel. Resinous character from high levels of dry hopping may create a tongue coating sensation.

Overall Impression: A highly-hopped, medium-bodied dark ale, similar in many ways to a strong version of American IPA, except that it incorporates dark malts and signature NW hop varieties, often in conjunction with fruity esters. Bitterness and body is much closer to an IPA balance than a strong ale or American stout. Finish is a nuanced interplay of hop and roast bitterness to create a dry quenching impression.

History: A style that came to prominence on the Northwest Coast of North America in the early
21st Century. Northwest hops play key flavor roles, balanced with malt, roast malts give color and flavor, but body should be reminiscent of an IPA, not heavy like a porter or stout. The style celebrates the hops of the Pacific Northwest, but is commonly brewed in other regions.

Comments: Some brewers prefer to cold steep the dark grains to achieve a very dark beer without the tannin contribution of adding the grains to the mash. The use of Sinnamar to enhance color is common. The interaction of dark, roasted malts and grains with NW hop character creates a unique spicy flavor component described as minty, or rosemary like.

Ingredients: Pale or pilsner malt, some mid-range caramel malt in a supporting role, Carfa type
malts, both regular and debittered, small amounts of chocolate malt, roast barley, and black patent malts can also be used. Northwest American hop varieties, or hops with similar characteristics (eg New Zealand), for flavor and aroma additions. Heavy dry-hopping is common.

IBUs 60-90+
Color: 40+ SRM
OG: 1.060-1.075 (15-18 P)
FG: 1.008-1.016 (2-4 P)
Abv 6.0-7.75%

Classic Examples: Rogue Brewer, Phllips Black Toque, Hopworks Secession CDA, Barley Brown’s Turmoil, Widmer W’10 Pitch Black IPA, Lucky Lab Black Sheep, Three Creeks 8 Second IBA, Block 15 Benton Brigade, Stone 11th Anniversary (Sublimely Self-Righteous) Ale, Walking Man Big Black Homo, Rogue Black Brutal, Laughing Dog Dogzilla, Southern Tier Iniquity

Beerbeque 02-06-2010 09:20 PM

This sounds just like a beer I brewed very recently but at the time I didn't know what to call it. I just made up the recipe because it sounded good and it definitely is a winner now that it is finished. My recipe was:
10# two row
12 oz crystal 60
6oz choc.
2oz black patent
1.25oz Cent 90min
2.0oz Cent 5min
1.0 Cas flameout
Tastybrew.com calculator says:
O.G. 61
IBU 72
SRM 20
I love the name-Cascadian dark ale!

Paddle_Head 02-06-2010 09:29 PM

Never seen such a beer in NY. Is this what is also sometimes called a Black IPA?

Beezer94 02-06-2010 09:34 PM

I like dark hoppy beers, but not food coloring. If I could buy every single product I ever use, minus any added coloring, I would in a heartbeat.

"Cold steep" dark grains for color minus flavor, sinamar, etc. is really a joke. So take your award winning IPA and add dark food coloring and surprise you have an award winning "Cascadian Dark Ale" which also should just be Dark American IPA.

Also I don't understand the 'Flavor' description

A balance between (hops & malts)... Emphasis should be on hop flavor.
If there's an emphasis on something, doesn't that unbalance the other things?

bosco_NJ 02-07-2010 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by Paddle_Head (Post 1866064)
Never seen such a beer in NY. Is this what is also sometimes called a Black IPA?

Look for Southern Tier Iniquity. Southern Tier Brewing is in Lakewood, NY. Also if you get Victory Brewing near you look for Yakima Twilight. And yes they would be be called by some as Black IPA's.

FlyGuy 02-08-2010 12:16 AM

Mmmmm.... Phillips Black Toque. Love that beer!


Originally Posted by Beezer94 (Post 1866070)
Also I don't understand the 'Flavor' description
If there's an emphasis on something, doesn't that unbalance the other things?

And you are right -- that flavour description is terribly worded. I think they mean a balance of flavours, although hop flavour should be most prominant. Presumably the beer should also be well balanced with respect to hop BITTERNESS and dryness from the roast malt and the malt sweetness. They don't actually say this, but of the two commercial examples I have tasted in the style examples that would seem to be true.

david_42 02-08-2010 01:31 PM

CDA is an attempt to get away from confusing and contradictory terms like Black IPA, IDA, IBA, etc. I expect to see some refinement of the wording. I believe for near-term BJCP competitions, they'll want these entered in 23, but labeled as a CDA.

jjp36 02-08-2010 03:24 PM

I'd also add Victory Yakima Twilight to the list of examples. Delicious beer.

Edcculus 02-08-2010 03:28 PM

What about American Dark Ale?

DrDirt 02-08-2010 03:34 PM

I find it amusing that the OREGON brewers place such a repeated emphasis on the use of NW hops in the guideline. I count 8 such references. Maybe we should just cut to the chase and require that the beer be brewed in the northwest.

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