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Old 01-02-2010, 09:05 PM   #11
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That sounds awful. Have you tried online suppliers like this one?
Yes, thank you I have looked at that supplier. After a month or so of searching and price hunting I finally have a good system of suppliers going.

Hopsdirect - Even with international shipping, the hops are still cheaper than any Canadian supplier.

I use 3 canadian online stores depending on what I need and for what price... the link you sent is 1, mashingheads.com is another, and there is 1 more i cannot remember the site (im at work). They all have different products and such, and I have had decent service so far.

Its just too bad that there are about 8 "LHBS" in town, and they only cater to boxed beer-kits in store... nobody caters to the homebrewer. Are we that rare of a breed?

Anyway, do not mean to hijack thread. If it were not so challenging to get top quality ingredients, it would not be half as much fun! Or so I tell myself...
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Yes, thank you I have looked at that supplier. After a month or so of searching and price hunting I finally have a good system of suppliers going.

Hopsdirect - Even with international shipping, the hops are still cheaper than any Canadian supplier.

I use 3 canadian online stores depending on what I need and for what price... the link you sent is 1, mashingheads.com is another, and there is 1 more i cannot remember the site (im at work). They all have different products and such, and I have had decent service so far.

Its just too bad that there are about 8 "LHBS" in town, and they only cater to boxed beer-kits in store... nobody caters to the homebrewer. Are we that rare of a breed?

Anyway, do not mean to hijack thread. If it were not so challenging to get top quality ingredients, it would not be half as much fun! Or so I tell myself...
I feel your pain. Shipping within/to Canada has become so expensive that even mail order shopping for homebrew ingredients has almost become prohibitively expensive for many things.

And yes, those damn beer-in-a-bag kits have sucked the life out of homebrewing in Canada. The problem is, the darn kits (like FestaBrew or The BrewHouse) are so good that the average guy making beer in the basement would be crazy to try all-grain or extract brewing when you can make fine beer without even a pot. The Wine Stores (I don't call them LHBSs anymore) that sell them love those kits too, because they are more or less foolproof to anyone that can ferment a wine kit. Who needs staff that knows how to brew anymore!

Anyways, I can't find them on the web right now, so perhaps (sadly) they are no more, but I used to shop at Askims in Victoria. They were great. Do you know about them?
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Old 01-03-2010, 05:57 PM   #13
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I feel your pain. Shipping within/to Canada has become so expensive that even mail order shopping for homebrew ingredients has almost become prohibitively expensive for many things.

And yes, those damn beer-in-a-bag kits have sucked the life out of homebrewing in Canada. The problem is, the darn kits (like FestaBrew or The BrewHouse) are so good that the average guy making beer in the basement would be crazy to try all-grain or extract brewing when you can make fine beer without even a pot. The Wine Stores (I don't call them LHBSs anymore) that sell them love those kits too, because they are more or less foolproof to anyone that can ferment a wine kit. Who needs staff that knows how to brew anymore!

Anyways, I can't find them on the web right now, so perhaps (sadly) they are no more, but I used to shop at Askims in Victoria. They were great. Do you know about them?
Hear hear. That FestaBrew 'bock' that I made, was so awesome it went super fast. It is literally all grain wort, sealed in a bag, when you get it. All you do is add yeast.

I have not heard of Askims, but I did find them by searching the name... not a website but an address and phone number. I will try calling, thanks for the tip. Its only 45 mins away, and may be worth visiting.

I should start my own company! I have been seriously considering this... I would want to sell online though so save on retail location, of which I know nothing about doing. Maybe one day
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A nickel weighs 5 grams if you want to check your scales. A memory of my dope smoking days.
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Soooo... I brewed beer on Wednesday, as I posted in another thread about a good experience, this is a thread about a bad experience in the same brew session. I just got a little scale to measure hops in an attempt to be more accurate and more consistent. I had rushed to the LHBS that morning to get the ingredients for this brew because I had people coming over to be introduced to AG brewing techniques, so I was in a hurry.

After mashing, sparging, and starting the boil I went to measure out the first hops addition. Well here's where it gets sad... I had bought 2oz. of Northern Brewer, which at the brew shop the sales guy had told me was actually North Down because "It's practically the same stuff." I was in a hurry so I didn't respond to that bit of subterfuge but when I was weighing out the first addition, 1.5oz. of the above hops, it turned out that neither of the 1oz. bags of pellets actually weighed 1oz. They weighed out at .67oz. and .68oz.

So now not only had they misrepresented the hops but they had sold me 2 x 2/3 of an oz. for full price. I didn't even have enoough hops for the hops addition they had been purchased for! Now I have been going to this LHBS for a while now and 2yrs ago they opened they're own brewery. The service has gone down in quality since then. If they are out of something they don't really care... I mean it's one thing not to have Saaz but not to have Notti or S-04... that's just plain ridiculous!

In a shopping session a few months ago I was getting ready to make pale with Maris Otter. I got half way into weighing out ingredients and the bin of Marris ran out. I asked for more and was told they were out and I would have to use American 2 row. I wanted Marris, I didn't want to substitute.

I guess what I am looking for here is a little guidance. I have helped brew at thier brewery. I consider the owner a friend but I am getting tired of being disappointed when I go to get ingredients. Recently I have been going up to Denver and shopping at one of the brew shops, a shop which has a brewery attached to it (a hint to those that live in the region). They seem able to keep it together.

Any thoughts?

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Sorry to hear about all your issues. Have you tried Old West on Weber and Pikes Peak? I usually shop in the store you're having issues with because they are so darn close. I've been rinsing my yeast though, and I think I'm going to start buying hops by the pound and grain by the 50# sack, so all I'll need from them is specialty grains and priming sugar.

They were nice enough to say that they aren't going to ask where my grain came from when I use their mill. Haven't tried it yet, but I thought that was a good offer.
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Any thoughts?

Either drive the 1+ hour up to Denver to get your supplies from one of the many reputable LHBS stores or mail order things. Montanaandy

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Did you or the LHBS weigh your hops?

I know this is basic knowledge, but did you calibrate the scale correctly?

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I've never used Northdown hops, but several online homebrew suppliers list Northern Brewer as an acceptable substitute, and all of them list an AA% similar to Northern Brewer. That doesn't sound like subterfuge to me.

Regardless, you need to go back to the store and confront the owner/manager directly about the incorrect quantities (assuming your scale is accurate).

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To check your scale, put a small kitten on the scale, hit tare, then inflate the kitten with 1 cubic foot of room temperature air (60 degrees F). Your scale should now read 0.0807 lbs.

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To check your scale, put a small kitten on the scale, hit tare, then inflate the kitten with 1 cubic foot of room temperature air (60 degrees F). Your scale should now read 0.0807 lbs.
That's just plain silly! Kittens pop at .0762 lbs!
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