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Old 05-30-2013, 03:55 AM   #1
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When bottle carbing a brew is there a requirement that the bottles are standing or laying to achieve the best results. I just bottled 2 cases of Hanks Hefe from Midwest and my new Keezer/ferm chamber can only accept bottles laying on there sides on the shelves that are not used by the pail or Corny kegs. I have looked around quite a bit and have not seen a definitive direction to pursue in this particular instance. My thought is that since it allow more surface area of the unfilled part of the bottle it might allow the CO2 a little more area to dissolve into solution. On the other hand that is also a large area to expose to air too. Just wondered if any one has any empirical evidence to support or defer me from laying bottles on there sides when bottle carbing.

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Old 05-30-2013, 04:03 AM   #2
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For the purposes of carbonation, there is no benefit in orientation, as the CO2 is being produced in the liquid where it will be absorbed if sufficient pressure or low enough temperature is present to increase the saturated gas volume.

I prefer not to lay bottles on the side as I do not believe all bottle caps are created equal, and some may not age well with continuous beer contact - but that is a hunch and I have not sought facts to support it.

If they will only fit in the chamber on their side, then I wouldn't spend much time worrying about it.

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Old 05-30-2013, 04:09 AM   #3
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When bottle carbing a brew is there a requirement that the bottles are standing or laying to achieve the best results. I just bottled 2 cases of Hanks Hefe from Midwest and my new Keezer/ferm chamber can only accept bottles laying on there sides on the shelves that are not used by the pail or Corny kegs. I have looked around quite a bit and have not seen a definitive direction to pursue in this particular instance. My thought is that since it allow more surface area of the unfilled part of the bottle it might allow the CO2 a little more area to dissolve into solution. On the other hand that is also a large area to expose to air too. Just wondered if any one has any empirical evidence to support or defer me from laying bottles on there sides when bottle carbing.

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I have not tried what you are outlining, so my thoughts are just speculation. My guess is that with more surface area the beer may absorb the CO2 a little quicker, however even that will be determined by the rate of fermentation within the bottle. As technically the headspace volume will be the same on side or standing up, it would tell me pressures of CO2 should be the same. The amount of CO2 should ultimately be determined by the amount of priming. With all that said, I would anticipate no additional carbonation as that is defined by priming amounts, and at best maybe a slight quicker carbonation (but I suspect it will be about the same due to bottle fermentation time).

You should put a few bottles from this batch upright if you can swing it and see if you notice any difference.
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My only concern doing this would be the sediment on the sides getting into the pour.

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If you condition them on their sides, then the sediment would be on the side of the bottle. At some point (when you go to pour a glass), you're going to turn it right side up and probably kick up some sediment and end up with more of it in your glass than most people usually like. It would seem to defeat the purpose of the "homebrewer's pour."

Edit: oops, didnt type fast enough.

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If they will only fit in the chamber on their side, then I wouldn't spend much time worrying about it.
This is the right attitude though. Do what you can and it'll be fine.
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My only concern doing this would be the sediment on the sides getting into the pour.
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If they will only fit in the chamber on their side, then I wouldn't spend much time worrying about it.
Whatever works.
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My only concern doing this would be the sediment on the sides getting into the pour.
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I agree that it's mostly about making it easier for the trub to get into the glass. And co2 absorption is also temperature dependant. Warmer,it absorbes slower,cooler equals faster.

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When bottle carbing a brew is there a requirement that the bottles are standing or laying to achieve the best results. I just bottled 2 cases of Hanks Hefe from Midwest and my new Keezer/ferm chamber can only accept bottles laying on there sides
My question is why are you carbing up bottles in your keezer. You want them at 70 to carb up.
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