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**Reaver** · 02-07-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by eastoak

exactly my point, how fresh can it be on the east coast. the bottle of pliny i buy at the corner produce market here in oakland tastes different than the pint i have at the brewery in santa rosa. they are both unmistakably pliny but not exactly the same, the hop character varies from batch to batch.

In response to you and the other poster about NY freshness... We are not graced with Pliny here in NY. I had an acquaintance in Cali send me a bottle and it was 3 weeks old when I drank it on NewYears Eve. (I recieved it @ the 2 week mark)
I understand the difference in batch and Keg-vs-Bottle... But we're also discussing realistic alternatives. Alot of the suggestions are very good and the better ones are quantifying their assessment for people to make thier own decisions.

MacGruber · 02-07-2012, 09:07 PM

I love Nugget Nectar and I love Firewalker, never had their double so I'll be on the lookout. I just loved how bright and incredibly balanced Pliny was. The nose got better on each sip. I wanted to live in that tulip glass.

MacGruber · 02-07-2012, 09:08 PM

I meant Firestone.

Calichusetts · 02-07-2012, 10:47 PM

Fireston Double Jack is probably my favorite beer, and while not like Pliny, it is simply a must, truly an amazing IPA

Hop Stoopid is another great one, one of the best aromas of any IPA you can try

Veldrid · 02-08-2012, 04:26 AM

Surprised no one has said Founders Double Trouble, it is such a damn good beer.

**NordeastBrewer77** · 02-08-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ayoungrad

kind off topic but I'm curious because I can't get Pliny up here.

sure ya can. Pliny's not distributed here either, but i order it from these guys.

**scottland** · 02-08-2012, 04:29 PM

I'm re-affirm what I said. I had Double Jack on tap last night: Every bit as good as Pliny.

**NordeastBrewer77** · 02-08-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scottland

I'm re-affirm what I said. I had Double Jack on tap last night: Every bit as good as Pliny.

i gotta find a place i can mail order that one from, i've heard nothing but good about it. some even say it's better than Pliny.

Calichusetts · 02-08-2012, 05:36 PM

Every friday on the way home from work I stop by the liquor store...my arm is magically drawn to a bottle of double jack everytime. I simply can't go a week without one!

Metallion66 · 02-08-2012, 06:17 PM

I personally didn't think Pliny lived up to the hype when I tried it. I mean, it was good no doubt. But it wasn't the best I've tried in my opinion.

I ran into another homebrewer at a local craft beer bar that told me more about Pliny. When I told him how underwhelmed I had been, he told me the reason was that due to the recent hop shortage, they started substituting with Hop Extract, which changed the flavor from what it originally was. I can't confirm how true this actually is, but he recommended I purchase a book called "Brewing Classic Styles." In this book is a recipe for Pliny the Elder, from the creator himself, he told me this recipe tastes much different than what they sell now.

I'm planing on brewing this recipe for my next batch, so we'll see how it turns out.